Israel Appears Ready to Attack Iran, Officials in U.S. and Europe Say

[QUOTE=Baller234;15016056]You don't think they care? About their own safety and security?

Recklessly engaging in a large scale war without any fear of repercussion doesn't sound very smart to me. It sounds like an awfully big gamble. In addition to Trump wouldn't Israel need the majority of U.S. congress on their side as well? You're already seeing people on Trump's own side disavow.

They would need to stage a direct attack on the U.S., but again that's also a huge gamble.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe Netanyahu is insane?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15016056]You don't think they care? About their own safety and security?

Recklessly engaging in a large scale war without any fear of repercussion doesn't sound very smart to me. It sounds like an awfully big gamble. In addition to Trump wouldn't Israel need the majority of U.S. congress on their side as well? You're already seeing people on Trump's own side disavow.

They would need to stage a direct attack on the U.S., but again that's also a huge gamble.[/QUOTE]

Of course they care about their own well-being. I’m saying this is like the little guy talking shit with his 6’6 friend standing behind him.

He feels protected and is thus more willing to act irrationally.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15016060]Of course they care about their own well-being. I’m saying this is like the little guy talking shit with his 6’6 friend standing behind him.

He feels protected and is thus more willing to act irrationally.[/QUOTE]

But where is the guarantee that U.S. will have their backing no matter what? What if the people aren't behind it and congress doesn't approve? Does Israel just have terabytes of Epstein files on EVERYONE?

[QUOTE=RRR3;15016057]Or maybe Netanyahu is insane?[/QUOTE]

So he doesn't care if he lives or dies, nor does he care about the well being and security of his own country? He's just doing this all because he and the leaders of Israel thirst for blood and don't care about the consequences?

That's what you're proposing.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15016062]But where is the guarantee that U.S. will have their backing no matter what? What if the people aren't behind it and congress doesn't approve? Does Israel just have terabytes of Epstein files on EVERYONE?[/QUOTE]
Because Israel is America's attack dog. We have long had an agreement that we protect and fund them in return for them doing what we want in the Middle East.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15016063]So he doesn't care if he lives or dies, nor does he care about the well being and security of his own country? He's just doing this all because he and the leaders of Israel thirst for blood and don't care about the consequences?

That's what you're proposing.[/QUOTE]
I certainly hope not, but he's unhinged enough that I worry about it. Do you think politicians can't be insane?

[QUOTE=RRR3;15016064]Because Israel is America's attack dog. We have long had an agreement that we protect and fund them in return for them doing what we want in the Middle East.[/QUOTE]

Wait so does Israel control America or does America control Israel?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15016066]Wait so does Israel control America or does America control Israel?[/QUOTE]
The US is the power in the relationship, but Israel may go rogue at times too. But they couldn't do the stuff they do without US backing like shawkfactory said. I've never said Israel controls the US, you are arguing with ghosts as usual.

[QUOTE=RRR3;15016065]I certainly hope not, but he's unhinged enough that I worry about it. Do you think politicians can't be insane?[/QUOTE]

Of course politicians can be insane, look at the democrats. That doesn't mean they walk around with a death wish.

I think politicians value self preservation above all. Most of them would flip on a dime in the name of surviving.

[QUOTE=RRR3;15016067]The US is the power in the relationship, but Israel may go rogue at times too. But they couldn't do the stuff they do without US backing like shawkfactory said. I've never said Israel controls the US, you are arguing with ghosts as usual.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

you are r3tard3d

[QUOTE=RRR3;15016067]The US is the power in the relationship, but Israel may go rogue at times too. But they couldn't do the stuff they do without US backing like shawkfactory said. I've never said Israel controls the US, you are arguing with ghosts as usual.[/QUOTE]

Uh.. several people in this thread are claiming that Israel controls Trump and controls America.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15016070]Uh.. several people in this thread are claiming that Israel controls Trump and controls America.[/QUOTE]
Yes but what relevance are other posters supposed to have on my arguments? You seem unable to process that multiple viewpoints can disagree with you. I have no interest in people stupid enough to believe Israel has the power to control the most powerful state in the world ("Whos the superpower here" as Bill Clinton once said, google it)

[QUOTE=RRR3;15016071]Yes but what relevance are other posters supposed to have on my arguments? You seem unable to process that multiple viewpoints can disagree with you[/QUOTE]

Huh? Either America controls Israel or Israel controls America. Both sides can't be right.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15016028]Musk donated money to Trump's campaign too. Is Trump obligated to him in a similar fashion? I went on google like you said he donated almost 3x as much money as Adelson did.

Like I said let's assume you're right. Let's say Trump is really compromised to such a degree that he has no autonomy and that Israel is in charge of everything. What do they have to gain by starting WW3? No one has been able to answer that for me yet. Wouldn't a war of this scale hurt them just the same?

I'm asking in good faith here. What is Israel's so called grand scheme?[/QUOTE]

don't be one of those guys that disregards someone's question by asking another question. it's no way to have a back & forth. you can't be this wet behind the ears. it's no wonder the discussions here go absolutely nowhere.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15016072]Huh? Either America controls Israel or Israel controls America. Both sides can't be right.[/QUOTE]
Who said they were? You're arguing with me right now and not them remember? Try to keep up. The point was you just assume I think Israel controls the US because others arguing with you said that, because you're unable to think people disagreeing with you aren't exactly the same.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15016074]don't be one of those guys that disregards someone's question by asking another question. it's no way to have a back & forth. you can't be this wet behind the ears. it's no wonder the discussions here go absolutely nowhere.[/QUOTE]

Your entire argument hinges on Trump being in someone's pocket. "Trump owes X because look how much money X donated to his campaign". You started your argument by telling me to do a google search so I did.

I'm not the one with the theory here, you are. I suspect that Trump is compromised to some degree but only in the traditional sense that he is obligated to multiple interests. I don't think any one person or entity has him on a tight leash and tells him to bark. I could be wrong of course but that's not on me to prove. You're the one with the theory.

If your entire theory hinges on "Trump is loyal to X out of financial obligation and he's willing to burn the whole country down over it", then it's perfectly fair to raise questions and point to other people who also donated to his campaign.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15016082][B][SIZE=7]Your entire argument hinges on Trump being in someone's pocket[/SIZE][/B]. "Trump owes X because look how much money X donated to his campaign". You started your argument by telling me to do a google search so I did.

I'm not the one with the theory here, you are. I suspect that Trump is compromised to some degree but only in the traditional sense that he is obligated to multiple interests. I don't think any one person or entity has him on a tight leash and tells him to bark. I could be wrong of course but that's not on me to prove. You're the one with the theory.

If your entire theory hinges on "Trump is loyal to X out of financial obligation and he's willing to burn the whole country down over it", then it's perfectly fair to raise questions and point to other people who also donated to his campaign.[/QUOTE]
can you prove he's not?

I just want to point out how stupid highweight is by stating that Israel's attack on Iran is unprovoked.

[QUOTE=highwhey;15016094]can you prove he's not?[/QUOTE]

He doesn't have to, fat boy. The burden of proof lies on you.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15016106]He doesn't have to, fat boy. The burden of proof lies on you.[/QUOTE]

this is not the court of law, chico. we are having a discussion on a basketball forum

what a stupid and dumb bitch, just when she was starting to make sense, she walks it back like a true coward. classic MAGA move - spineless.

[QUOTE]BREAKING: US Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard blames media for taking her testimony out of context, says 'America has intelligence that Iran is at the point that it can produce a nuclear weapon within weeks to months'[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=highwhey;15016094]can you prove he's not?[/QUOTE]

No I can't but the burden of proof shouldn't be on me. I suspect Trump could be lying about what's really going on, but that doesn't mean I have to go along with everything else you guys are saying. I don't think Israel is a satanic death cult and I don't think Trump is Israel's puppet. First he was Putin's puppet, then he was Elon's puppet, now he's Israel's puppet. Anytime Trump is sympathetic to another person or country, all of a sudden he's a puppet. Is he? Or is he caught in a juggling act the likes we can't comprehend? Also, Trump is not emperor. Israel can't just assume that because Trump is in their favor they're going to get everything they want. Things have to go through government too. Call me crazy but I think "We should all die for Israel" is going to be a tough sell.

If I had to guess then it would be that U.S. and Israel are mutual business partners and are trying to take over and expand. That's my honest guess. Could Iran have nuclear weapons? Maybe. I guess we'll have to see if Tulsi decides to speak out.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15016106]He doesn't have to, fat boy. The burden of proof lies on you.[/QUOTE]

he failed that mark with his stretch mark posting

kid looking like a pregnant zebra out here

[QUOTE=Baller234;15016121]No I can't but the burden of proof shouldn't be on me. I suspect Trump could be lying about what's really going on, but that doesn't mean I have to go along with everything else you guys are saying. I don't think Israel is a satanic death cult and I don't think Trump is Israel's puppet. First he was Putin's puppet, then he was Elon's puppet, now he's Israel's puppet. Anytime Trump is sympathetic to another person or country, all of a sudden he's a puppet. Is he? Or is he caught in a juggling act the likes we can't comprehend? Also, Trump is not emperor. Israel can't just assume that because Trump is in their favor they're going to get everything they want. Things have to go through government too. Call me crazy but I think "We should all die for Israel" is going to be a tough sell.

If I had to guess then it would be that U.S. and Israel are mutual business partners and are trying to take over and expand. That's my honest guess. Could Iran have nuclear weapons? Maybe. I guess we'll have to see if Tulsi decides to speak out.[/QUOTE]

They can’t keep their agendas straight which is indicative of low emotional and intellectual iq.

[QUOTE=highwhey;15016112]what a stupid and dumb bitch, just when she was starting to make sense, she walks it back like a true coward. classic MAGA move - spineless.[/QUOTE]

Iraq WMDs 2.0.

Same arguments, same idiots falling for the same tricks again.

Trump really is a special kind of evil, made his bones poltically thrashing GWB and the NeoCons, opposed the Iraq war because of fake evidence...20 something years later, doing the same exact shit lol.

Baller234, where's my apology. Weeks ago I called Trump a warmonger, you challenged me to name a war he involved us in, I said he has plenty of time to have his war, damn, didn't know it would THIS quick, 6 months into his presidency...well here we are, broski.

Candidate for WOAT POTUS first 6 months, easily.

There is a special place in hell for politicians like Tulsi Gabbard.

[video=youtube_share;S_EsEQ-1yp8]https://youtu.be/S_EsEQ-1yp8?si=SJMGP4MqJbEIG6n8[/video]

IDC what anyone says, if we go to war with Iran (especially with ground troops) this will forever tarnish Trump's legacy. Apparently, Steve Bannon visited Trump and tried to talk him out of it.

[video=youtube;1KZ5Ib4Z-EQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KZ5Ib4Z-EQ[/video]

shit is getting tense out there. b2 bombers moving to diego garcia and/or guam is being reported. multiple reports of people seeing b2 bombers flying to the indian ocean. that's the only bomber capable of dropping the bunker buster.

we;re in for quite the weekend.

Putin said they have 150 scientists working in Iran's nuclear facilities and will upgrade this number up to 600 workers.

Not sure if they were developing the A-bomb before this but they will surely start now.

[video=youtube_share;0Z9Pl7oF9dI]https://youtu.be/0Z9Pl7oF9dI[/video]

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15016169]IDC what anyone says, if we go to war with Iran (especially with ground troops) this will forever tarnish Trump's legacy. Apparently, Steve Bannon visited Trump and tried to talk him out of it.

[video=youtube;1KZ5Ib4Z-EQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KZ5Ib4Z-EQ[/video][/QUOTE]

You don't need boots on the ground to cripple Iran.

Some of you are already casting aspersions against Trump when Trump hasn't lifted a finger or insinuated anything one way or the other. Let's all calm down.

this country peaked under obama, it has been consistently going downhill every since. he had iran on check, but trump had to pull out of the JCPOA deal, and look where it got us today...at the brink of WWIII.

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U.S just bombed 3 Iranian nuclear sites.

[url]https://www.axios.com/2025/06/21/us-strike-iran-nuclear-israel-trump[/url]

[QUOTE=highwhey;15016219]this country peaked under obama, it has been consistently going downhill every since. he had iran on check, but trump had to pull out of the JCPOA deal, and look where it got us today...at the brink of WWIII.

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Obama gave Iran millions of dollars. That's not keeping them in check.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15016242]Obama gave Iran millions of dollars. That's not keeping them in check.[/QUOTE]

oh no, millions of dollars? israel has been spending $1 billion a day since they launched those missiles...on our dime.

Trump needs to be arrested immediately, this is illegal.

[QUOTE=TheMan;15016276]Trump needs to be arrested immediately, this is illegal.[/QUOTE]

Callate pendejo

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15016277]Callate pendejo[/QUOTE]

Tu puto, hope you're happy, you're warmonger in chief just might bring about WWIII.

I suspect that Trump knows that the 30,000 pound bunker buster is not going to damage the facility, due to the way it was built/reinforced. Only the entrance and exit were damaged. This way he can at least show something for his Israeli masters that he despises.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15016169]IDC what anyone says, if we go to war with Iran (especially with ground troops) this will forever tarnish Trump's legacy. Apparently, Steve Bannon visited Trump and tried to talk him out of it.

[video=youtube;1KZ5Ib4Z-EQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KZ5Ib4Z-EQ[/video][/QUOTE]

I hope you're happy for your vote for Trump, bro.