Yao Ming owns Shaq???

Since it was done for the performance against the Knicks it needs to be done against the Heat also.

34 points 14 rebounds 11-19 shooting.

It's amazing the difference Yao getting consistent good post position has made for his effectiveness.

[QUOTE=Da KO King]Since it was done for the performance against the Knicks it needs to be done against the Heat also.[/QUOTE]

You're right.

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17600[/url]

Judging frm the stats i should think so :pimp:

It's more like a changing of the guard. Shaq is declining while Yao is entering his prime years. It was bound to happen and I was expecting it to come with Shaq playing in his 15th season.

I still believe Shaq can still be productive and help The Heat make a run in the playoffs, and next season too , but it looks like the "Shaq era" in the NBA is coming to an end. The Year of Yao is upon us, I see rumblings in Orlando with Dwight Howard, The Lakers have a young talented big man in Andrew Bynum, Amare looks like he's returnning to the unstoppable form he once had, and across the horizon I see the shadow of Gred Oden emerging.

I love Yao's development into a superstar. Hopefully he keeps this up so Tracy can find his game, without losing many games.

I as big of a Yao Ming fan as the next man but c'mon, theres already 3 or 4 Yao topics created since last night. There doesn't need to be anymore. But, I do agree. I remembers folks in that curry thread were saying, "Oh, he owned curry.....anyone can do that." But then he goes out and dominated the best center, Shaq. So how can you discredit his play this time? Let me guess, "Oh, he did it against two aging centers. Who can't do that?"

it was only a few months ago that people were STILL trying to dismiss yao as merely OK.

Shaq is so mediocre now. Its hard to believe how fast hes gone downhill. I dont think i've ever seen someone who was once dominant fall so fast to being overated and such a shadow of his former self. I mean if he was 40 and still playing like Kareem was then i can get it, but dude is only 34 :confusedshrug:

I think Yao got lucky on a few of those short jumpers last night but hes been consistant so cant really call it luck. It just looked like a few came out awkward but still went in.

I'm happy that Yao has finally found his game and is having success. He deserves it; he's always struck me as a good guy and a hard worker.

[QUOTE=Smokee]Shaq is so mediocre now. Its hard to believe how fast hes gone downhill. I dont think i've ever seen someone who was once dominant fall so fast to being overated and such a shadow of his former self. I mean if he was 40 and still playing like Kareem was then i can get it, but dude is only 34 :confusedshrug:

I think Yao got lucky on a few of those short jumpers last night but hes been consistant so cant really call it luck. It just looked like a few came out awkward but still went in.[/QUOTE]

Just wait until Yao discovers Krispy Kreme and gets up to 450 pounds. 45/25 isn't out of the question.

[QUOTE=eboloid]Just wait until Yao discovers Krispy Kreme and gets up to 450 pounds. 45/25 isn't out of the question.[/QUOTE]


I dont think chinese people like him can get fat no matter how many krispykremes. But if he did find a way to add some meat to those bones he could be really dominant and might not look so damn soft in the paint. Right now all his defensive abilities and half his offense stem strictly from height/length. If he could take up space he'd be so much better at the things hes currently not very good at like rebounding and being more a body underneath. I swear for a big man he probably covers a little ass circle in terms of rebounding ability, like if the ball doesnt drop directly to him he wont get it. It just feels like such a waste of size.

[QUOTE=wang4three]I love Yao's development into a superstar. Hopefully he keeps this up so Tracy can find his game, without losing many games.[/QUOTE]
Agreed 100%. Seeing Ming bust out like this is awesome.

Oh, trust me, Asian people can get very fat if they try. Most of them just can't afford fast food (McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut is incredibly expensive compared to meals they can get from roadside food stalls), or prefer to spend their money on new mobile phones.

Regarding his rebounding, I think it's been agreed around here that he actually CREATES rebounds for his teammates by shoving members of the opposing team out of the way and tipping balls. He is being economical with his energy instead of just lunging for missed shots. And, seriously, "little ass" and Yao don't fit in the same sentence. He's kinda wide.

when i mean little ass circle, i meant that as more his rebounding circumference where he gets rebounds. You're right that he does at times slap at it away from the other big man grabbing it and one of his teammates gets it, but for someone his size he should have more of a rebounding circumference. Its like other players body out Yao, so Yao is oftentimes offbalance and slapping at it instead of going for it and getting it himself. I think if he had a stronger base he wouldnt be body'd out and wouldnt lose that balance so much. I just think Yao is still too soft and plays too finesee for someone his size. While hes been having a huge season so far and its hard to criticize his production, watching him play there are things he could/should be doing better.

But this has always been something thats bothered me about some players, even when i play just playground. There are just players who dont have that i want the ball viciousness in them and they play like their scared of contact, even if they have the body or size where they could be much better with that mean streak in them.

Yao seems to have finally adapted to the more agressive NBA mentality.
He's also improve his strength substantially; though he still has ways to go before he can balance his finesse game with an equal power component.

Provided he avoid injury he is going to be scary domiant in the next couple of years.

[QUOTE=Smokee]I dont think chinese people like him can get fat no matter how many krispykremes. But if he did find a way to add some meat to those bones he could be really dominant and might not look so damn soft in the paint. Right now all his defensive abilities and half his offense stem strictly from height/length. If he could take up space he'd be so much better at the things hes currently not very good at like rebounding and being more a body underneath. I swear for a big man he probably covers a little ass circle in terms of rebounding ability, like if the ball doesnt drop directly to him he wont get it. It just feels like such a waste of size.[/QUOTE]
Haha, bringing back that whole fat=good player nonsense again?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Haha, bringing back that whole fat=good player nonsense again?[/QUOTE]
:roll: It makes sense, Tractor had the highest fat % in the entire NBA and he dominated like no other.







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if you watched the heat game carefully you would see that Yao was definitely calling for the ball, and many times he did go at shaq and zo with power but realized shaq is just too big to bully over with power so he switched to finesse, why waste your energy (especially a guy as big as yao) doing power moves down low when you can hit the jumper, seriously they sent yao to the free throw line to shoot a technical (he was 10/11 or something ridiculously good from the heat game shooting ft's), he hit a fall away fadeway from the baseline over shaq, that's a hard enough shot, As for Yao being soft that's so stupid, he called for the ball so many time against shaq, his passion really came out last night, i don't know if anyone remembers that one dunk he threw down when he rolled to the basket last night when he got the dish from t-mac (was late in the game, i think it was the last basket he got before gundy took him out) he thew that sh*t down hard as a man his size could, he was hoping for some chump to be underneath him but they all cleared out. I think ever since Dahntay Jones dunked on Yao, Yao's been pissed off that these chumps are trying to embarass him so he's out on a tear, he man handled the knicks, stomped on the heat (made alonzo made look so bad), only problem i have is that he is getting heavy minutes and taking up a heavy load right now so he's going to have to carry it out throughout the whole season so he migh tire down, but i expect the numbers he's putting up to fall to around 20-24ppg once T-MAC and Bonzi get healthy or start producing. So as far as him being soft go please :violin: , yao's on a tear, he use to dominate like this in Olympic and his Chinese Basketball League, he'l bring in a new era, a new kind of center.

Yao Ming > Villy & Bogut ie I'd never do that trade.

Yao Ming is really coming into his own. Getting more consistent with his domination proclamation minus hateration in this NBA jamboree. I love how he is calling for the ball, getting good position, catch and either the hook or back em down and give them business cards approach.

An asian player as the best Center in the game? Never thought I ever see the day or say such a thing. And yes its a major thing imo. Yao Ming paid major dues to get where he is at today. Language and learning barriers. Getting familiar with the game and how its played vs other great players. Thru the bashing, critisizms about him being soft, not a dominant type of player, will be Rik Smits like etc etc...he has really stepped his game up and it appears he will continue to do so. He's not done. Tmac just needs to get his act together. Yao gonna mess around and be a 27 & 11 Center.

Do you think Eddy Curry can dominate Shaq this time around?

[QUOTE=jzillah]if you watched the heat game carefully you would see that Yao was definitely calling for the ball, and many times he did go at shaq and zo with power but realized shaq is just too big to bully over with power so he switched to finesse, why waste your energy (especially a guy as big as yao) doing power moves down low when you can hit the jumper, seriously they sent yao to the free throw line to shoot a technical (he was 10/11 or something ridiculously good from the heat game shooting ft's), he hit a fall away fadeway from the baseline over shaq, that's a hard enough shot, As for Yao being soft that's so stupid, he called for the ball so many time against shaq, his passion really came out last night, i don't know if anyone remembers that one dunk he threw down when he rolled to the basket last night when he got the dish from t-mac (was late in the game, i think it was the last basket he got before gundy took him out) he thew that sh*t down hard as a man his size could, he was hoping for some chump to be underneath him but they all cleared out. I think ever since Dahntay Jones dunked on Yao, Yao's been pissed off that these chumps are trying to embarass him so he's out on a tear, he man handled the knicks, stomped on the heat (made alonzo made look so bad), only problem i have is that he is getting heavy minutes and taking up a heavy load right now so he's going to have to carry it out throughout the whole season so he migh tire down, but i expect the numbers he's putting up to fall to around 20-24ppg once T-MAC and Bonzi get healthy or start producing. So as far as him being soft go please :violin: , yao's on a tear, he use to dominate like this in Olympic and his Chinese Basketball League, he'l bring in a new era, a new kind of center.[/QUOTE]


hes only on fire because hes been knocking down those short jumpers very consistently. Now whether he can keep this up or not is questionable, and if those short jumpers stop falling like has happened other years he's far from a mvp. I'm not saying he will or wont but its really too early to talk mvp when this could just be a hot streak.

I see Yao get pisssed off alot this season. You have a point there. I saw him get pissed after Dahntay Jones tomohawkd on his ass and i saw him get pissed after a few no calls where he fell on the floor from guards half his size swatting at the ball. Either way i never really see much coming from Yao getting pissed, its not like he plays meaner or gets more vicious, he's as soft a center as they come. Sure thats his game but its something i think he can improve on. Hell if he would mebbe at least start flailing his arms like Mutombo to scare people then mebbe he might put some fear into them. Right now nobody, not even guards are scared to get into his space and swipe.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Haha, bringing back that whole fat=good player nonsense again?[/QUOTE]



you S. Bradley fans really need to stop talkiing espeically when 'new and improved Shaq' is worse than ever :applause:

To act like every player should be thin is just retarded, especially all these generalizations you people make about being lean and thin in basketball. like how they dont get injured(Camby, Kenyon, DariusMiles, Shaq, etc, etc) or how everyones game automatically gets better when they lose weight.

when you actually play some ball then come back and talk :banana:

yao has been playing at this level since the all star break of last year. i dont see him leveling off any time soon, barring injury

[QUOTE=Smokee]you S. Bradley fans really need to stop talkiing espeically when 'new and improved Shaq' is worse than ever :applause:

To act like every player should be thin is just retarded, especially all these generalizations you people make about being lean and thin in basketball. like how they dont get injured(Camby, Kenyon, DariusMiles, Shaq, etc, etc) or how everyones game automatically gets better when they lose weight.

when you actually play some ball then come back and talk :banana:[/QUOTE]

Wake up moron, Shawn Bradley had 0 muscle mass.

[QUOTE=XxNeXuSxX]Wake up moron, Shawn Bradley had 0 muscle mass.[/QUOTE]


k then lets talk about 'new and improved Shaq' jackass :stupid:

does Camby of 0 muscle mass also?

how about Darius Miles?

would Z. Randolph be nearly as good as he is on the boards and in the paint without his wide fatbody?

like i said scrub, when you actually play the sport and i'm not talking about NBA Live, you might know that thin doesnt always mean better. At least i'm the one making it a case by case basis while you morons act like every player thats thin doesnt get injured and automatically plays better.

i dont know if your punkass has 1 leg, no arms, and cant play ball for whatever reason. But if you did play some ball you'd know thin and lean isnt always a better player make, let alone all these stupidass generalizations you morons pretend are always true.

[QUOTE=Smokee]hes only on fire because hes been knocking down those short jumpers very consistently. Now whether he can keep this up or not is questionable, and if those short jumpers stop falling like has happened other years he's far from a mvp. I'm not saying he will or wont but its really too early to talk mvp when this could just be a hot streak.
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That's quite an ignorant statement. If you watched the second half of the season, Yao wasn't just on "fire" like you proclaim him to be, he was pretty much dominant throughout. He averaged like 26ppg and 12ppg, what the hell do you want from him honestly.

I'm being honest, and not being rude, but please shut up because you really don't know anything about the transformation of Yao's game. You keep giving all this nonsense crap about him needing to gain weight, and him being lucky on a couple of jumpers.

The stupidest statement of all, "hes only on fire because hes been knocking down those short jumpers very consistently," Honestly, what the hell is that suppose to mean?

Then you come up with this other stupidity right after it, "Now whether he can keep this up or not is questionable". Make up your mind, he is either on fire, or he is just being consistent.

Please stop talking about Yao because you have no idea what you are talking about, nothing, none what so ever.

SHaq never did that well against a Center that can hit the J......No matter what even when he was in L.A he was too lazy to stop anyone who could hit that shot....

But people let him cover Ostertags or other big lumbering guys with less skills.....When Sabonis was on his game and not hurt too bad he'd kill SHAQ too.but becuz his endurance and fouls were high he couldn't stay on the court...difference is old SHAQ would go for 40 and 15 himself.

[QUOTE=Batchoy]It's more like a changing of the guard. Shaq is declining while Yao is entering his prime years. It was bound to happen and I was expecting it to come with Shaq playing in his 15th season.
[/QUOTE]

Hit it right on the nose.

[QUOTE=ElPigto]That's quite an ignorant statement. If you watched the second half of the season, Yao wasn't just on "fire" like you proclaim him to be, he was pretty much dominant throughout. He averaged like 26ppg and 12ppg, what the hell do you want from him honestly.

I'm being honest, and not being rude, but please shut up because you really don't know anything about the transformation of Yao's game. You keep giving all this nonsense crap about him needing to gain weight, and him being lucky on a couple of jumpers.

The stupidest statement of all, "hes only on fire because hes been knocking down those short jumpers very consistently," Honestly, what the hell is that suppose to mean?

Then you come up with this other stupidity right after it, "Now whether he can keep this up or not is questionable". Make up your mind, he is either on fire, or he is just being consistent.

Please stop talking about Yao because you have no idea what you are talking about, nothing, none what so ever.[/QUOTE]


You really dont know basketball. Players get hot in basketball. Some go cold. Jumpers dont always stay consistent when their hot. Look at Marcus Williams preseason where he couldnt miss to during the season where hes missing alot. I've watched every Rockets game this year. If you want to talk about last year then you got me, all i know is he was same erratic Yao for that first half of last season then got hot for the last month or so. Still not a full season.

Youre probably a bias Yao/Rockets fan so i'll cut you some slack. I watched him last night and some of those short jumpers he made were lucky because you could tell he didnt have a sure release on some of them and they still went in. **** happens when your hot. I never said he might not keep it up but i raised the possibility he can go cold and start missing them and he might just be on a hot streak right now. I do know teams arent playing Yao right, whoever they played before the Knicks this season or maybe it was the game before that(i cant remember the team) played Yao right. They would double team him right when he put the ball on the floor and Yao would either lose it or make a bad pass. Its all timing tho. The Knicks didnt try that until that 2nd half at some point and when they did they were late or too obvious about it with the double where he saw it coming.

Anyway, if this were oldtime Shaq or something thats easily consistant like post and dunks or like old MJ with driving and getting fouls then mebbe i'd have more faith in him being able to keep it up. Sorry i just dont have faith in short jumpers being as consistant to dominate :violin:

[QUOTE=KWALI]SHaq never did that well against a Center that can hit the J......No matter what even when he was in L.A he was too lazy to stop anyone who could hit that shot....

But people let him cover Ostertags or other big lumbering guys with less skills.....When Sabonis was on his game and not hurt too bad he'd kill SHAQ too.but becuz his endurance and fouls were high he couldn't stay on the court...difference is old SHAQ would go for 40 and 15 himself.[/QUOTE]


yeh Shaq even said himself in last nights quote i think theres nothing he can do about Yao making his jumpers if he makes them.

[QUOTE=MaxFly]Hit it right on the nose.[/QUOTE]


Shaq is only 34, is that reeally so overthehill in NBA big man years?

didnt Kareem play past 40?

dont big men in general tend to last longer in being able to play NBA longer?

I mean how old was Sabonis? He had to have been like 40 and still balling.

How old is Yao anyway?

Smokee is just some casual NBA fan who's trying to make a name for himself on ISH by proposing absolute BS to piss people off. Nobody knows Yao Ming better than Rockets fans. NOBODY.

We've watched him from the start and have witness his evolution from a skinny, soft spoken big man with great potential, to a dominant, insurmountable 7'6 center who is an early MVP candidate and arguably THE best center in the world. You dont average 27 points and shoot well over 55% FG in this league off pure LUCK. You are obviously aware that is pure bullsht. You dont shoot 88% FT by chance either.

Yao Ming has the league at his mercy. Shaq is nothing more than a bitter old fart who wont admit a China man is taking his throne. Somebody who has command of the power game, but prefers the finese game. Somebody who can shoot freethrows. Somebody who commands double and triple teams, yet still manages to score 27 ppg off pure LUCK.

[QUOTE=JSub]Smokee is just some casual NBA fan who's trying to make a name for himself on ISH by proposing absolute BS to piss people off. Nobody knows Yao Ming better than Rockets fans. NOBODY.

We've watched him from the start and have witness his evolution from a skinny, soft spoken big man with great potential, to a dominant, insurmountable 7'6 center who is an early MVP candidate and arguably THE best center in the world. You dont average 27 points and shoot well over 55% FG in this league off pure LUCK. You are obviously aware that is pure bullsht. You dont shoot 88% FT by chance either.

Yao Ming has the league at his mercy. Shaq is nothing more than a bitter old fart who wont admit a China man is taking his throne. Somebody who has command of the power game, but prefers the finese game. Somebody who can shoot freethrows. Somebody who commands double and triple teams, yet still manages to score 27 ppg off pure LUCK.[/QUOTE]


funny thing is a casual NBA fan is WAY more objective than a pure Rockets fan :roll:

I wouldnt even say i'm casual, mebbe in the offseason, but i probably watch more NBA games on a weekly basis than you do during a full season kid :pimp:

[QUOTE=Smokee]funny thing is a casual NBA fan is WAY more objective than a pure Rockets fan :roll:

I wouldnt even say i'm casual, mebbe in the offseason, but i probably watch more NBA games on a weekly basis than you do during a full season kid :pimp:[/QUOTE]

Of course you watch every NBA game every week, b/c little boys have all the time in the world. Real men who have graduated from college are employed full time. So keep congratulating yourself on watching so much basketball, "kid". It hasnt raised your bball IQ one bit.

[QUOTE=JSub]Of course you watch every NBA game every week, b/c little boys have all the time in the world. Real men who have graduated from college are employed full time. So keep congratulating yourself on watching so much basketball, "kid". It hasnt raised your bball IQ one bit.[/QUOTE]


:roll: :roll: :roll: guess 'real men' who have graduated college with full time jobs post on nba forums with kids? someone check this fool could be another child predator :roll: :roll: :roll:

wow youre a loser :applause:

[QUOTE=Smokee]k then lets talk about 'new and improved Shaq' jackass :stupid:

does Camby of 0 muscle mass also?

how about Darius Miles?

would Z. Randolph be nearly as good as he is on the boards and in the paint without his wide fatbody?

like i said scrub, when you actually play the sport and i'm not talking about NBA Live, you might know that thin doesnt always mean better. At least i'm the one making it a case by case basis while you morons act like every player thats thin doesnt get injured and automatically plays better.

i dont know if your punkass has 1 leg, no arms, and cant play ball for whatever reason. But if you did play some ball you'd know thin and lean isnt always a better player make, let alone all these stupidass generalizations you morons pretend are always true.[/QUOTE]

So from one sentence you conclude (with no basis which is contradictory to the rest of your post) that I've never played basketball before? :applause: Wrong again fatboy. I'm going to start calling you fat because you 'must' be since you are defending fat kids, being fat and unathletic in middle school boy, but it doesn't work even in highschool, let alone the NBA. I've exposed you before and you avoided my questions and pretended it didn't exist.

I'm an experienced weightlifter, and 'Darius Miles, Kenyon Martin are [I][B]NO WHERE F*CKING NEAR[/B][/I] the strength of Shaq in his prime. Strength is what made Shaq dominant, not fat. Explain this; How exactly does fat benefit you?
Does it make you stronger? No.
Does it make you faster? No.
Does it make you jump higher for rebounds and blocks? No.
Does it make you slower and less athletic? [B]YES[/B]

What you don't realize is, if YOU ever played basketball, the fat kids only advantage on other's is being able to set a wider pick, and maybe hurt someone if they fell on top of him. Shaquille O'neal in his prime, had, by far, the greatest combination of upper and lower body strength in the league. And when he get's older, his strength and stamina go down with it. The only thing to do to counteract this is to burn off the uneeded fat to keep his stamina up during games.

I'd like to see a trainer or sports physician back you up :roll:

Smokee, give it a rest. You clearly aren't adequately informed on this subject.

[QUOTE=XxNeXuSxX]So from one sentence you conclude (with no basis which is contradictory to the rest of your post) that I've never played basketball before? :applause: Wrong again fatboy. I'm going to start calling you fat because you 'must' be since you are defending fat kids, being fat and unathletic in middle school boy, but it doesn't work even in highschool, let alone the NBA. I've exposed you before and you avoided my questions and pretended it didn't exist.

I'm an experienced weightlifter, and 'Darius Miles, Kenyon Martin are [I][B]NO WHERE F*CKING NEAR[/B][/I] the strength of Shaq in his prime. Strength is what made Shaq dominant, not fat. Explain this; How exactly does fat benefit you?
Does it make you stronger? No.
Does it make you faster? No.
Does it make you jump higher for rebounds and blocks? No.
Does it make you slower and less athletic? [B]YES[/B]

What you don't realize is, if YOU ever played basketball, the fat kids only advantage on other's is being able to set a wider pick, and maybe hurt someone if they fell on top of him. Shaquille O'neal in his prime, had, by far, the greatest combination of upper and lower body strength in the league. And when he get's older, his strength and stamina go down with it. The only thing to do to counteract this is to burn off the uneeded fat to keep his stamina up during games.

I'd like to see a trainer or sports physician back you up :roll:[/QUOTE]


Hahaha :roll: call me FAT, i could care less. I just know ball and have played ball with/agaiinst fatbody big men and KNOW girth creates space for them. Youre a f'in retard thats never played ball if you dont know that. What i'm saying is reality, has nothing to do with me or some stupid agenda, if you really have played ball like you said then you'd know fatbody's can help a player play bigger. This is strictly about truth and reality to me, not trying to prove some stupid point like you morons that act like everybody should be thin and lean to be able to play ball correctly.

To say Shaq was all strength is stupid in itself, he and everyone knows Shaq had a lot of fat. Youre not only a retard, you dont even know a thing about ball if you dont know that. Shaq even said himself he felt more dominant when he was fatter. Take a look at some of those old pics of 'dominant Shaq' and you'd see hit gut hanging over his waistline slightly.

I'm so sick of all the retards here reinventing history of how Shaq was all quickness and explosion, or how he was all strength. Shaq was just BIG you stuipdass mofos, BIGGER than everyone and threw his body around where everyone was scared of going at him and nobody wanted to be under him when he dunked. There are so many f'in idiots here that overanalyze or completely try and reinvent the obvious, that Shaq was as dominant as he was because dude was just BIG. :banghead:

[QUOTE=ClutchCityReturns]Smokee, give it a rest. You clearly aren't adequately informed on this subject.[/QUOTE]


I swear half of you ride each others *******s like a pile of potatoes. Trust me dude, i'm waaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy more informed than most of you if you want to keep making the argument that fat doesnt add to a players ability to play ball.

Zack Randolph is a perfect case in point. Fortson is a case in point. There are many players who are good players due to their body size and girth.

Its like half of you dont even play ball and are on Jenny Craig trying to sell that **** to everyhone :rollingeyes:

[QUOTE=Smokee][QUOTE]Hahaha :roll: call me FAT, i could care less.[/QUOTE]
Okay, fine, fatass. Good luck living past 20 without diabetes.

[QUOTE] I just know ball and have played ball with/agaiinst fatbody big men and KNOW girth creates space for them. [/QUOTE]
:roll: Then you suck if you are a guy that's all muscle mass with a combination of speed and more athleticism and can't get around/through him. The fat kid will get out muscles every time on the boards and in the post. Again you don't know what you are talking about.
[QUOTE]Youre a f'in retard thats never played ball if you dont know that. What i'm saying is reality, has nothing to do with me or some stupid agenda, if you really have played ball like you said then you'd know fatbody's can help a player play bigger.[/QUOTE]
:roll: Yep I'm now a "retard" for thinking muscle is better than fat, stupid me. I should have known the reality that fat>>>>>>>>Muscle and strength
[QUOTE]
This is strictly about truth and reality to me, not trying to prove some stupid point like you morons that act like everybody should be thin and lean to be able to play ball correctly.[/QUOTE]

Then everyone has it out for you, my little fat friend. Because no one (Fat or not) has agreed with you because what [B]you[/B] are insinuating is utterly unintelligent.

[QUOTE][QUOTE]To say Shaq was all strength is stupid in itself, he and everyone knows Shaq had a lot of fat. Youre not only a retard, you dont even know a thing about ball if you dont know that.[/QUOTE]
Never said he wasn't fat idiot, I just said it helped him very little if any at all.

[QUOTE] Shaq even said himself he felt more dominant when he was fatter.[/QUOTE]
Link to quote? I believe he said when he was [I]younger[/I].
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Take a look at some of those old pics of 'dominant Shaq' and you'd see hit gut hanging over his waistline slightly. [/QUOTE]

It's funny, because in Orlando in his early years he was already part of the 50 greatest players ever when he had under a 10 BF%. So why didn't he suck then? Thing is, he was going to get even better gaining that fat or not.

[QUOTE]I'm so sick of all the retards here reinventing history of how Shaq was all quickness and explosion,[/QUOTE]
Reading comprehension will get you somewhere in life before you start tossing insults to people that are already more successful than you in life. I said STRENGTH was what made him so dominant, not "Quickness", idiot.

[QUOTE] or how he was all strength. [/QUOTE]

There you go!

[QUOTE]Shaq was just BIG you stuipdass mofos, BIGGER than everyone and threw his body around where everyone was scared of going at him and nobody wanted to be under him when he dunked.[/QUOTE]
:roll: That's his STRENGTH and POWER combined with his SIZE (7'2) the only thing to be afraid of if he was pure fat is to make sure he doesn't land on top of you if he trips.
[QUOTE]There are so many f'in idiots here that overanalyze or completely try and reinvent the obvious, that Shaq was as dominant as he was because dude was just BIG. :banghead:[/QUOTE]

You are the only one overanalyzing this dumbass, he declined because he's getting older, period, end of story. It happens to everyone and Shaq is no exception.

Oh and for the record I have been playing organized ball for about 17 years and I think once you get out of middle school you may be able to understand.