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Jordan Hill
How about that game last night?
14 points, 15 boards, 6 offensive. 6 for 11 FG. 3 blocks.
A plus 27.
Nice to see him finally get some PT.
I like him as our 3rd big MUCH more than Murphy or McBob.
Man, having a guy who can produce like that behind Pau and Andrew would be awesome. His ability to score seemed to have an impact on the entire 2nd unit.
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NOt much to say. He looked like the second coming of Dennis Rodman out there. Very nice pickup. Mitch is the GM of the year.
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I hope we keep the guy. One thing is a given and its that Pau is going to be shopped again to save money. If that be the case, we need to keep Jordan Hill. A nice inexpensive insurance policy.
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[QUOTE=lakerfreak]I hope we keep the guy. One thing is a given and its that Pau is going to be shopped again to save money. If that be the case, we need to keep Jordan Hill. A nice inexpensive insurance policy.[/QUOTE]
plus he has the potential. I would prefer him to get mins over fake hustle mcrib and useless murphy
McRib would hustle but never come up with any rebounfs :roll:
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Looks like Jordan Hill has a warrant for his arrest for assault of a family member. It's apparently a 3rd degree felony. It sounds like his season will be done......
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[QUOTE=dd24]Looks like Jordan Hill has a warrant for his arrest for assault of a family member. It's apparently a 3rd degree felony. It sounds like his season will be done......[/QUOTE]
da fuq?
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[QUOTE=dd24]Looks like Jordan Hill has a warrant for his arrest for assault of a family member. It's apparently a 3rd degree felony. It sounds like his season will be done......[/QUOTE]
Nah, this is just a case of trying to get money from him, nothing more.
Supposedly the incident happened Feb 29th when he was with the Rockets.....however it wasn't reported until now, a sure sign of it being phony.
In any case nothing will happen until well after the season is over, you know how long it takes to get anything to trial....Crittendon still hasn't gone to trial
....and that's a murder case, he's walking around free on bail.
Nothing more than a distraction for Hill.
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[QUOTE=DKLaker]Nah, this is just a case of trying to get money from him, nothing more.
Supposedly the incident happened Feb 29th when he was with the Rockets.....however it wasn't reported until now, a sure sign of it being phony.
In any case nothing will happen until well after the season is over, you know how long it takes to get anything to trial....Crittendon still hasn't gone to trial
....and that's a murder case, he's walking around free on bail.
Nothing more than a distraction for Hill.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully that's all it is. I'm sure it's over money, especially if it's a family member and especially if they're just now trying to press charges..... Nonetheless the warrant is out there and this is a felony case so that's a big deal. I hope he can continue to do what he has off the bench though.
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[QUOTE=DKLaker]Nah, this is just a case of trying to get money from him, nothing more.
Supposedly the incident happened Feb 29th when he was with the Rockets.....however it wasn't reported until now, a sure sign of it being phony.
In any case nothing will happen until well after the season is over, you know how long it takes to get anything to trial....Crittendon still hasn't gone to trial
....and that's a murder case, he's walking around free on bail.
Nothing more than a distraction for Hill.[/QUOTE]
Interesting. Are things like this usually done to try and distract teams? What do you think?
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[QUOTE=lakerfreak]Interesting. Are things like this usually done to try and distract teams? What do you think?[/QUOTE]
I would doubt it. I'm guessing whoever decided to press charges waited around for a bit, then it more than likely took longer to get the warrant. I believe ESPN said the warrant was issued today. That basically means he needs to turn himself in, cause the cops are going to know how to find him, lol. It's tough to say if he could do that, post bail, and make it out in time to play in a game. The other thing is he would then need more than likely need a judge to give him permission to leave the state for work too...
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I want to apologize to Jordan Hill
I called him useless or something like that which was probably more because of who he was traded for. :facepalm
I like his hustle, and he goes after rebounds. More importantly, the way he moves his feet on screen/roll defense is something I like watching
Keep up the good work
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[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]I want to apologize to Jordan Hill
I called him useless or something like that which was probably more because of who he was traded for. :facepalm
I like his hustle, and he goes after rebounds. More importantly, the way he moves his feet on screen/roll defense is something I like watching
Keep up the good work[/QUOTE]
Class act dude:rockon:
We ALL misjudge poeple and not all of us own up to it. I also didnt thnk highly of him so you are not alone.
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[QUOTE=lakerfreak]Interesting. Are things like this usually done to try and distract teams? What do you think?[/QUOTE]
not to distract teams but to get money out of the players involved....as you can see it happened on feb 29th and she didnt file it when he was sitting on lakers bench...
as soon as this dude gets some good press...she is there to get the $$$....throw some G's & he should be able to get rid of that ho
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[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]I want to apologize to Jordan Hill
I called him useless or something like that which was probably more because of who he was traded for. :facepalm
I like his hustle, and he goes after rebounds. More importantly, the way he moves his feet on screen/roll defense is something I like watching
Keep up the good work[/QUOTE]
Most here should apologize to most of the Laker players and Mitch since they advocated trading away most of the team and firing Mitch. I couldn't believe how many "fans" here wanted Gasol traded.
My wife and I moved here from NYC two years ago and were told by several of our friends how clueless LA fans were. I always wait and see for myself with accusations like that but our friends were correct. We've been to many sporting events since moving here and from what I see at the games (Lakers and Dodgers) I suspect the median IQ to be below 60.
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[QUOTE=mr sax]Most here should apologize to most of the Laker players and Mitch since they advocated trading away most of the team and firing Mitch. I couldn't believe how many "fans" here wanted Gasol traded.
My wife and I moved here from NYC two years ago and were told by several of our friends how clueless LA fans were. I always wait and see for myself with accusations like that but our friends were correct. We've been to many sporting events since moving here and from what I see at the games (Lakers and Dodgers) I suspect the median IQ to be below 60.[/QUOTE]Many Lakers fans are nothing but products of the media that covers them, some of that due to age. The media says Mike Brown is a bad coach and they follow along blindly and mimic what they read. This forum is a prime example of the problem, there's some good posters like Tam as an example or Foley but most don't post very often, at least here. Mostly Knee Jerks who lack critical thinking skills or are just trolling for reaction
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[QUOTE=mr sax]Most here should apologize to most of the Laker players and Mitch since they advocated trading away most of the team and firing Mitch. I couldn't believe how many "fans" here wanted Gasol traded.
My wife and I moved here from NYC two years ago and were told by several of our friends [B]how clueless LA fans were[/B]. I always wait and see for myself with accusations like that but our friends were correct. We've been to many sporting events since moving here and from what I see at the games (Lakers and Dodgers) I suspect the median IQ to be below 60.[/QUOTE]
honestly, I know of two very knowledgable Lakers fans, who in the heat of something, stop thinking rationally. And these guys can talk ball, but they go nuts over Pau, I don't fvkcin get it.
case and point, Pau. Other than Bosh and Dirk, he is the ideal fit to put next to a big like Drew. And he has more post moves than both guys. And his game will age gracefully because you don't forget post moves, and he got range for days. I am against any Pau trade unless you get a better than average 4, and a legit guard who can get to the paint to score. Only Pau deal I was open to was for David Lee and Monta Ellis, which GSW would say buzz off
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[QUOTE=mr sax]Most here should apologize to most of the Laker players and Mitch since they advocated trading away most of the team and firing Mitch. I couldn't believe how many "fans" here wanted Gasol traded.
My wife and I moved here from NYC two years ago and were told by several of our friends how clueless LA fans were. I always wait and see for myself with accusations like that but our friends were correct. We've been to many sporting events since moving here and from what I see at the games (Lakers and Dodgers) I suspect the median IQ to be below 60.[/QUOTE]
Every teams' fan base will have fans that don't really know much about the sport, other than the team is "winning too much" or "losing too much". LA is a huge city, meaning it has a huge population. I do agree that some of our fan base can be delusional. They either hate too much, or they defend too much.
One thing is certain though and it is that LA teams are expected to be perfect. Whether the fans are knowledgeable or not, everyone expects the team to be in contention for a championship. Whenever the teams in LA are rebuilding, fans grow impatient. They always expect to have things the way it always was. Case in point, when Phil Jackson left, everyone wanted the triangle to stay. No body wanted Mike Brown, or any other coach unless it was either going to be Brian Shaw, or Rick Adelman because his offensive system is very similar.
I got into a debate with another laker fan 2 years ago regarding Andrew Bynum. I was arguing the boy would be a complete stud when he was settled into his role and comfortable. His response to me was "He sucks because after so many years of being taught by Kareem Abdul Jabbar, he still hasn't attempted the skyhook". I was in disbelief that someone could utter such a shallow comment. Who else besides Cap shot the skyhook anyways? It just goes to show, in LA, people don't like change. They're all about someone's resume rather than "what have you done for me lately".
Is it dumb? Thats a matter of perspective. I think it is not reasonable, but there are proven ways to win, thats for sure. Does that mean the team, and the coach, and the GM cannot do it with new personnel? No. This team is still very much talented, and can figure out a new way to succeed. After all, there are 30 teams every season, many make the playoffs, but only one team ends up winning. The teams that win are the ones who have integrity, come day in and day out sticking to their role, and placing aside their ego, for the greater good. Thats how people win championships, not the amount of championship rings someone had in the past.
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[QUOTE=lakerfreak]
I got into a debate with another laker fan 2 years ago regarding Andrew Bynum. I was arguing the boy would be a complete stud when he was settled into his role and comfortable. His response to me was "He sucks because after so many years of being taught by Kareem Abdul Jabbar, he still hasn't attempted the skyhook". [/QUOTE]
:roll:
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[QUOTE=lakerfreak]
I got into a debate with another laker fan 2 years ago regarding Andrew Bynum. I was arguing the boy would be a complete stud when he was settled into his role and comfortable. His response to me was "He sucks because after so many years of being taught by Kareem Abdul Jabbar, he still hasn't attempted the skyhook". I was in disbelief that someone could utter such a shallow comment. Who else besides Cap shot the skyhook anyways? [/QUOTE]
Tons of guys shot hook shots, some guys still do, look no further than Pau who is the best 2 handed hook shooter I've ever seen.
[img]http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/gilmore5_060527.jpg[/img][img]http://nba-history.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/photos/magic-hook-shot_400.jpg[/img][img]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3636/3335094760_60e6b6b426.jpg[/img]
IMO, the hook shot is the greatest shot in basketball history. Kids nowadays are too image conscious to shoot it because it doesn't look cool and they don't see guys really shoot it much on ESPN. I ask players of all levels, if they could shoot 98% from the free throw line by shooting "Granny Style" like Rick Barry, would they do it, "Hell No!!!" is the reaction I get. It is clearly as much about looking good as it is to win. Image, Image, Image = ESPN Generation.
As for having Kareem coach Bynum, it was an idiotic mistake that was guaranteed to fail. Kareem is not a sociable person, he doesn't know how to relate to people or communicate, sure, he can say do this or do that....but in coaching you have to be able to relate and communicate. IMO this was a setback to his career....even with the injuries. Had they instead had Bynum work with Hakeem, he would be a much better player, thank god for Darvin Ham and the work he has done with Bynum this year, the Lakers have to keep him working with Andrew long term.
As for wanting Adelman as head coach, it has absolutely nothing at all with any so called similarity with Phil Jackson. Adelman is a damn good coach plain and simple, he knows exactly what he is doing and how to run a team effectively....that is beyond intelligent dispute. Mike Brown is :banghead:
BTW those of you who are too young to have seen Artis Gilmore play really missed a truly special player....one of my all time favorite opponents to watch. (B&W photo)
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[QUOTE=DKLaker]Tons of guys shot hook shots, some guys still do, look no further than Pau who is the best 2 handed hook shooter I've ever seen.
[img]http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/gilmore5_060527.jpg[/img][img]http://nba-history.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/photos/magic-hook-shot_400.jpg[/img][img]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3636/3335094760_60e6b6b426.jpg[/img]
IMO, the hook shot is the greatest shot in basketball history. Kids nowadays are too image conscious to shoot it because it doesn't look cool and they don't see guys really shoot it much on ESPN. I ask players of all levels, if they could shoot 98% from the free throw line by shooting "Granny Style" like Rick Barry, would they do it, "Hell No!!!" is the reaction I get. It is clearly as much about looking good as it is to win. Image, Image, Image = ESPN Generation.
As for having Kareem coach Bynum, it was an idiotic mistake that was guaranteed to fail. Kareem is not a sociable person, he doesn't know how to relate to people or communicate, sure, he can say do this or do that....but in coaching you have to be able to relate and communicate. IMO this was a setback to his career....even with the injuries. Had they instead had Bynum work with Hakeem, he would be a much better player, thank god for Darvin Ham and the work he has done with Bynum this year, the Lakers have to keep him working with Andrew long term.
As for wanting Adelman as head coach, it has absolutely nothing at all with any so called similarity with Phil Jackson. Adelman is a damn good coach plain and simple, he knows exactly what he is doing and how to run a team effectively....that is beyond intelligent dispute. Mike Brown is :banghead:
BTW those of you who are too young to have seen Artis Gilmore play really missed a truly special player....one of my all time favorite opponents to watch. (B&W photo)[/QUOTE]
Oh dont get me wrong DK. I agree that its a great shot. When its mastered, noone can really stop it. Im just attempting to point out how shallow some fans are. The stupid fans don't appreciate the smart basketball mind of a Kobe when he posts up and moves around so fluidly, but when Shannon Brown dunks, those same fans drool. Now you guys have known me, I liked Smush when he first started. But when a friend tells me "He can average 30 points a game!!!", I have to tell him to kiss my ass. Thats all im trying to do, is to make a point to say that the dumb fans don't really know what they're watching.
Adelman is a damn good coach. He is better than Mike Brown, can't argue against these claims at all. He's got an offensive scheme that has been proven, his defense is a bit questionable, but nonetheless, he can make a good team out of a bad team. As for Mike Brown, the playoffs look good. The offense is finally flowing. The passing is leading to so many open plays for Bynum underneath, Kobe is sticking to it, and Mike Brown finally has his offensive rebounder in Jordan Hill, damn that man is good. Hopefully he doesn't go to jail during the playoffs or something.
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[QUOTE=DKLaker]Tons of guys shot hook shots, some guys still do, look no further than [B][U]Pau who is the best 2 handed hook shooter I've ever seen[/U][/B].
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Wait.:eek:
Did you just complement Pau? Pau Gasol?
You didn't inadvertently left out the letter "L" and mean Paul for guys like
Paul Silas, Chris Paul,Paul WestPhall, Pressey or even McCartney, Pope Paul etc?:milton
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[QUOTE=lakerfreak]Oh dont get me wrong DK. I agree that its a great shot. When its mastered, noone can really stop it. Im just attempting to point out how shallow some fans are. The stupid fans don't appreciate the smart basketball mind of a Kobe when he posts up and moves around so fluidly, but when Shannon Brown dunks, those same fans drool. Now you guys have known me, I liked Smush when he first started. But when a friend tells me "He can average 30 points a game!!!", I have to tell him to kiss my ass. Thats all im trying to do, is to make a point to say that the dumb fans don't really know what they're watching.
Adelman is a damn good coach. He is better than Mike Brown, can't argue against these claims at all. He's got an offensive scheme that has been proven, his defense is a bit questionable, but nonetheless, he can make a good team out of a bad team. As for Mike Brown, the playoffs look good. The offense is finally flowing. The passing is leading to so many open plays for Bynum underneath, Kobe is sticking to it, and Mike Brown finally has his offensive rebounder in Jordan Hill, damn that man is good. Hopefully he doesn't go to jail during the playoffs or something.[/QUOTE]
Don't let playing the Nuggets fool you....IMO the playoffs don't start until you play a real team. Once we play OKC we can really discuss the good and bad of this team. I'm too old and experienced to get excited about the first round.
Jordan Hill is not going to jail in the playoffs :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Not unless he kills someone.....let's get real :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=tamaraw08]Wait.:eek:
Did you just complement Pau? Pau Gasol?
You didn't inadvertently left out the letter "L" and mean Paul for guys like
Paul Silas, Chris Paul,Paul WestPhall, Pressey or even McCartney, Pope Paul etc?:milton[/QUOTE]
I complement anyone when it is deserved, I have no agenda or bias.
Pau is rare in that Kareem could only shoot a right handed hook, Artis Gilmore only a left handed hook shot.......Pau has them both and that is impressive.
That being said, having talent doesn't make you a great player, it's what you do with it. If Pau had more intensity, focus.....aggressiveness he would be a beast.
You gotta want it and want it real bad.
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[QUOTE=DKLaker]I complement anyone when it is deserved, I have no agenda or bias.
Pau is rare in that Kareem could only shoot a right handed hook, Artis Gilmore only a left handed hook shot.......Pau has them both and that is impressive.
That being said, having talent doesn't make you a great player, it's what you do with it. If Pau had more intensity, focus.....aggressiveness he would be a beast.
You gotta want it and want it real bad.[/QUOTE]
Pau is a consistent player. Occasionally he will have an off night but you can count on him to show up and play. You can't ask for more than that. Even Kobe, yes Kobe, has off nights. I understand to some that it may be sacrilegist to criticize Kobe.
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[QUOTE=DKLaker]Don't let playing the Nuggets fool you....IMO the playoffs don't start until you play a real team. Once we play OKC we can really discuss the good and bad of this team. I'm too old and experienced to get excited about the first round.
Jordan Hill is not going to jail in the playoffs :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Not unless he kills someone.....let's get real :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
You'd be surprised. Many people (for some reason) bet that Denver would sweep LAL. I really cannot see why though.
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[QUOTE=lakerfreak]You'd be surprised. Many people (for some reason) bet that Denver would sweep LAL. I really cannot see why though.[/QUOTE]
I didn't hear that one. Denver really doesn't match up with LA at all. This was the best possible first round the Lakers could've asked for.
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[QUOTE=lakerfreak]You'd be surprised. Many people (for some reason) bet that Denver would sweep LAL. I really cannot see why though.[/QUOTE]
Their best weapon against us was Nene, once he was traded they were done.
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[QUOTE=DKLaker]Their best weapon against us was Nene, once he was traded they were done.[/QUOTE]
Exactly my thought.... in previous years they had Nene and K-Mart so they could defend that front line of the Lakers better. This year they can't come close. It's almost unfortunate the Lakers have a chance to sweep the Nuggets. If this series went 5 (or even 6) then the Lakers would have Artest back for the 2nd round.
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[QUOTE=mr sax]Pau is a consistent player. Occasionally he will have an off night but you can count on him to show up and play. You can't ask for more than that. Even Kobe, yes Kobe, has off nights. I understand to some that it may be sacrilegist to criticize Kobe.[/QUOTE]
90% of the criticism of Kobe is irrational, 10% is completely accurate.
At this point Kobe is not going to change, it'd be idiotic to trade the best closer in the game......so flawed as he is, it's pointless to jabber on about him when there are much bigger problems with guys not pulling their weight.
Pau? The jury is still out on him, sorry.
Last years pathetic performance from Pau he averaged 13.1 ppg........guess what he's averaging through 2 games this playoffs.......13.0 ppg.
Pau does seem more emotionally invested in the team at the moment and his 6.5 assists per game is beautiful.
For the season the most glaring things have been his lowest shooting percentage since the 03-04 season, his lowest PPG of his career and by far his lowest free throw attempts in his career. His shooting % on non layups/dunks is by far the lowest of his career as well. Offensive rebounds....yes another career low this year.
I won't even go into the defensive issues.
Pau is currently in line to remain in the top 6-10 highest paid players in the NBA for next season, his ability to avoid being traded is riding on this years playoffs.
Unfortunately for Pau, he has a coach who has no clue of how to run an offense which will consistently allow the bigs to play off each other.....in the hands of a good coach Pau would be deadly playing alongside Bynum and Kobe. Pau should be cutting to the hole for easy passes from Bynum as he's being doubled and then crossing to the side for a mid range jumper if it's not there....with Kobe or Barnes as the 2nd cutter after Pau clears. There is no way this could be stopped.......but Mike Brown:banghead: All the tools at his disposal....but none of the brains required to use them. Maybe he should look at film of how Webber and Vlade played together....or..........??? & ???
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[QUOTE=DKLaker]90% of the criticism of Kobe is irrational, 10% is completely accurate.
At this point Kobe is not going to change, it'd be idiotic to trade the best closer in the game......so flawed as he is, it's pointless to jabber on about him when there are much bigger problems with guys not pulling their weight.
Pau? The jury is still out on him, sorry.
Last years pathetic performance from Pau he averaged 13.1 ppg........guess what he's averaging through 2 games this playoffs.......13.0 ppg.
Pau does seem more emotionally invested in the team at the moment and his 6.5 assists per game is beautiful.
For the season the most glaring things have been his lowest shooting percentage since the 03-04 season, his lowest PPG of his career and by far his lowest free throw attempts in his career. His shooting % on non layups/dunks is by far the lowest of his career as well. Offensive rebounds....yes another career low this year.
I won't even go into the defensive issues.
Pau is currently in line to remain in the top 6-10 highest paid players in the NBA for next season, his ability to avoid being traded is riding on this years playoffs.
Unfortunately for Pau, he has a coach who has no clue of how to run an offense which will consistently allow the bigs to play off each other.....in the hands of a good coach Pau would be deadly playing alongside Bynum and Kobe. Pau should be cutting to the hole for easy passes from Bynum as he's being doubled and then crossing to the side for a mid range jumper if it's not there....with Kobe or Barnes as the 2nd cutter after Pau clears. There is no way this could be stopped.......but Mike Brown:banghead: All the tools at his disposal....but none of the brains required to use them. Maybe he should look at film of how Webber and Vlade played together....or..........??? & ???[/QUOTE]
So is it irrational to criticize Kobe for his shot selection, which can be terrible a lot of the time? My issue is not only selection, but his volume shooting. He doesn't stop and he can single handedly ruin team chemistry when his shots aren't falling. Now when he's on, he's on, but its unrealistic to expect him to be on, especially at this stage in his career. Remember game 7 vs Boston 2 seasons ago? Nearly cost the team another championship. That right there should be criticized.
Pau Gasol's 13 PPG last season was different than this season. Bynum last season wasn't scoring like he is this time around. As a result, Pau can be the third option and get away with it, so long as he is still involved offensively (6.5 assists a game). Lastly, I think whether it is the nuggets or the spurs, its completely unfair to criticize the coach's offense when guys like Pau Gasol are averaging 6.5 assists a game. This offense has all of these players moving the ball, which results in a lot of those Bynum Alley Oops. Those plays aren't by accident. The players are having more understanding of their roles, and since they're now used to their roles, Kobe is shooting better, Bynum is very involved, and Pau is doing a great job blending in.
As a matter of fact, Phil's triangle didn't even involve Bynum as much as Brown's system does. Bynum is getting so many shot attempts, and all of those shot attempts are great ones, and this is WITH triple teams on Bynum. He's taking advantage of what this offense gives him.
If the offense is stagnant at times, which also happened with the triangle, then we have some hustle guys like Jordan Hill giving such a great boost with his second and third opportunities. The offense isn't flashy, but it works, it puts up points on the board, and more importantly, it gave the lakers the third seed, with a 2-0 lead in the playoffs.
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[QUOTE=lakerfreak]So is it irrational to criticize Kobe for his shot selection, which can be terrible a lot of the time? My issue is not only selection, but his volume shooting. He doesn't stop and he can single handedly ruin team chemistry when his shots aren't falling. Now when he's on, he's on, but its unrealistic to expect him to be on, especially at this stage in his career. Remember game 7 vs Boston 2 seasons ago? Nearly cost the team another championship. That right there should be criticized.
Pau Gasol's 13 PPG last season was different than this season. Bynum last season wasn't scoring like he is this time around. As a result, Pau can be the third option and get away with it, so long as he is still involved offensively (6.5 assists a game). Lastly, I think whether it is the nuggets or the spurs, its completely unfair to criticize the coach's offense when guys like Pau Gasol are averaging 6.5 assists a game. This offense has all of these players moving the ball, which results in a lot of those Bynum Alley Oops. Those plays aren't by accident. The players are having more understanding of their roles, and since they're now used to their roles, Kobe is shooting better, Bynum is very involved, and Pau is doing a great job blending in.
As a matter of fact, Phil's triangle didn't even involve Bynum as much as Brown's system does. Bynum is getting so many shot attempts, and all of those shot attempts are great ones, and this is WITH triple teams on Bynum. He's taking advantage of what this offense gives him.
If the offense is stagnant at times, which also happened with the triangle, then we have some hustle guys like Jordan Hill giving such a great boost with his second and third opportunities. The offense isn't flashy, but it works, it puts up points on the board, and more importantly, it gave the lakers the third seed, with a 2-0 lead in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Very valid points Freak esp about Kobe, Pau and Bynum....:D
Heck, all of the above.
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I know it's only been like 4 games guys, but giving away the 1st rounder in the Derek Fisher trade is looking pretty good right now. :lol
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[QUOTE=lakerfreak]So is it irrational to criticize Kobe for his shot selection, which can be terrible a lot of the time? My issue is not only selection, but his volume shooting. He doesn't stop and he can single handedly ruin team chemistry when his shots aren't falling. Now when he's on, he's on, but its unrealistic to expect him to be on, especially at this stage in his career. Remember game 7 vs Boston 2 seasons ago? Nearly cost the team another championship. That right there should be criticized.
Pau Gasol's 13 PPG last season was different than this season. Bynum last season wasn't scoring like he is this time around. As a result, Pau can be the third option and get away with it, so long as he is still involved offensively (6.5 assists a game). Lastly, I think whether it is the nuggets or the spurs, its completely unfair to criticize the coach's offense when guys like Pau Gasol are averaging 6.5 assists a game. This offense has all of these players moving the ball, which results in a lot of those Bynum Alley Oops. Those plays aren't by accident. The players are having more understanding of their roles, and since they're now used to their roles, Kobe is shooting better, Bynum is very involved, and Pau is doing a great job blending in.
As a matter of fact, Phil's triangle didn't even involve Bynum as much as Brown's system does. Bynum is getting so many shot attempts, and all of those shot attempts are great ones, and this is WITH triple teams on Bynum. He's taking advantage of what this offense gives him.
If the offense is stagnant at times, which also happened with the triangle, then we have some hustle guys like Jordan Hill giving such a great boost with his second and third opportunities. The offense isn't flashy, but it works, it puts up points on the board, and more importantly, it gave the lakers the third seed, with a 2-0 lead in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
No, I also question Kobe's shot selection.....but he makes shots that don't make any sense too. Has Kobe single handedly lost games for us.....absolutely. We have a bunch of docile players who can't create their own shot and don't shoot 3's at a good %......so Kobe's volume should be high.....he....and I don't trust the rest of the guys to really attack and go all out to win, thankfully Bynum is getting there. I would absolutely love for Pau to be more aggressive going toward the basket and taking more shots, but without falling away, he is severely lacking as a 7 footer when it comes to drawing fouls.....way too passive.
Again, you don't understand the difference between coaching a fluid offense and stats, no need to even discuss the issue.
Being impressed by beating Denver is like thinking you belong in the NBA because you hit shots by yourself in your driveway :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
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Re: Jordan Hill
Another double double by Hill, this one on the road in limited minutes. Very impressive :applause:
To think if the Lakers had pullen the trigger on Beasley and given up that 1st rounder, they'd never be able to pry Hill from Houston, not saying one player is better than another, but Hill just fits in really well with this team.
And to think, at the beginning of the season, Troy Murphy was brought in for this very reason :facepalm Ship his ass out!
The Laker's only issue now is bench scoring production.
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[QUOTE=DKLaker]No, I also question Kobe's shot selection.....but he makes shots that don't make any sense too. Has Kobe single handedly lost games for us.....absolutely. We have a bunch of docile players who can't create their own shot and don't shoot 3's at a good %......so Kobe's volume should be high.....he....and I don't trust the rest of the guys to really attack and go all out to win, thankfully Bynum is getting there. I would absolutely love for Pau to be more aggressive going toward the basket and taking more shots, but without falling away, he is severely lacking as a 7 footer when it comes to drawing fouls.....way too passive.
Again, you don't understand the difference between coaching a fluid offense and stats, no need to even discuss the issue.
Being impressed by beating Denver is like thinking you belong in the NBA because you hit shots by yourself in your driveway :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Sorry it took a while to respond. I started a full time job.
As for statistics, yes they aren't everything, but you're dismissing every single statistic. Stats come from somewhere. They let us understand how things will play out. If a center like Bynum gets many shot attempts, and is shooting at 60%, it likely means he will keep getting those same shot attempts at a similar success rate.
You yourself keep grading the offense by the fact that "the lakers had their lowest point average per game for a while". But wait, I thought stats are different from a fluid offense?
Points come from the speed of the game. Lakers are a half court team, and they play slow, full time. They get very few fast break opportunities. Does that mean their offense is doomed to be terrible? No. It just means they need to keep playing together until it clicks.
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[QUOTE=lakerfreak]Sorry it took a while to respond. I started a full time job.
As for statistics, yes they aren't everything, but you're dismissing every single statistic. Stats come from somewhere. They let us understand how things will play out. If a center like Bynum gets many shot attempts, and is shooting at 60%, it likely means he will keep getting those same shot attempts at a similar success rate.
You yourself keep grading the offense by the fact that "the lakers had their lowest point average per game for a while". But wait, I thought stats are different from a fluid offense?
Points come from the speed of the game. Lakers are a half court team, and they play slow, full time. They get very few fast break opportunities. Does that mean their offense is doomed to be terrible? No. It just means they need to keep playing together until it clicks.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Why do you constantly speak of things you do not remotely understand????
If you really want to understand these things you need to either listen and understand to those who know.....or learn for yourself by coaching for an extended time.
There are a ton of ways you can score a high amount of points, it doesn't matter the pace of your style of play. What matters most is making the most of every possession, every time down the floor. If your goal is to take one shot and run away while the ball is in the air then you better shoot a very high %. If you always put 2 guys rebounding your misses you will score more points with 2nd chance opportunities. I could go through a million scenarios and the related situations but it would take way too long.
As for our offense....lmao, if players ran a crappy offense for 10 years and knew it well, it wouldn't be successful.....it would still be crap.
Brown has no clue as to how to run an offense and no clue as to how to mesh the styles and abilities of our players together.
Seriously, any coach who is so stupid that he cannot see how we can destroy any team in the NBA by running pick and rolls shouldn't be coaching in the NBA, he should go back to being a video editor/stats guy.....Metta had this right. Kobe needs to at least help the nitwit out by making a defensive adjustment to stop Andre Miller.
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[QUOTE=DKLaker]:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Why do you constantly speak of things you do not remotely understand????
If you really want to understand these things you need to either listen and understand to those who know.....or learn for yourself by coaching for an extended time.
There are a ton of ways you can score a high amount of points, it doesn't matter the pace of your style of play. What matters most is making the most of every possession, every time down the floor. If your goal is to take one shot and run away while the ball is in the air then you better shoot a very high %. If you always put 2 guys rebounding your misses you will score more points with 2nd chance opportunities. I could go through a million scenarios and the related situations but it would take way too long.
As for our offense....lmao, if players ran a crappy offense for 10 years and knew it well, it wouldn't be successful.....it would still be crap.
Brown has no clue as to how to run an offense and no clue as to how to mesh the styles and abilities of our players together.
Seriously, any coach who is so stupid that he cannot see how we can destroy any team in the NBA by running pick and rolls shouldn't be coaching in the NBA, he should go back to being a video editor/stats guy.....Metta had this right. Kobe needs to at least help the nitwit out by making a defensive adjustment to stop Andre Miller.[/QUOTE]
For whatever reason, you just don't like Mike Brown. It works out perfectly for you so that you can blame Mike Brown if the Lakers get knocked out of the playoffs like they did last year when Phil Jackson was the coach. Do you think Phil Jackson is a "nitwit" too? Just sayin' is all...
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[QUOTE=mr sax]For whatever reason, you just don't like Mike Brown. [QUOTE]
It's not just whatever reason. He's given a million of them and they are legit. It's funny to me that there's people that are so tolerant of a coach doing a mediocre job. This is the Lakers. Don't just settle for mediocrity. This team should be able to contend. You really can't compare this year to last year. There was way more drama going on last year (and Fish was still the PG....).
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[QUOTE=mr sax]For whatever reason, you just don't like Mike Brown. It works out perfectly for you so that you can blame Mike Brown if the Lakers get knocked out of the playoffs like they did last year when Phil Jackson was the coach. Do you think Phil Jackson is a "nitwit" too? Just sayin' is all...[/QUOTE]
The bigger disappointment with more than half of this forum was that Mike Brown was hated on right after he was hired. he hadn't been given a fair shot, and just because in the very beginning when there was chemistry problems, people never factored in the lockout, or the players being out of shape, or the timeline for training camp.
This whole season was expected to be the way it happened. So far there were no surprises to me, other than the blossoming of Bynum, which was a good surprise.
Kobe himself said at the end of the regular season that his relationship with Mike Brown was better than ever. But hey, if its never in the best interest of the person debating, nobody acknowledges it.