Greek Basket League Finals: Panathinaikos Vs. Olympiacos

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The 5 game 2011-12 season Greek Basket League Finals start today, between 2012 Greek Cup champions Panathinaikos Athens, and 2012 Euroleague champions Olympiacos Piraeus. Olympiacos guard Acie Law has an ankle injury and will miss the first two games of the series. Game 1 will be played at the Peace and Friendship Stadium SEF, the home arena of Olympiacos.


[B]Teams:[/B]


[B]Olympiacos Piraeus[/B]

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[B]Roster:[/B]

PG Vassilis Spanoulis/Kostas Sloukas/Dimitrios Katsivelis
SG Vangelis Mantzaris/Acie Law/Martynas Gecevicius
SF Marko Keselj/Kostas Papanikolaou/Michalis Pelekanos
PF Pero Antic/Georgios Printezis/Panagiotis Vasilopoulos
C Joey Dorsey/Kyle Hines/Lazaros Papadopoulos/Andreas Glyniadakis

Coach: Dusan Ivkovic


[B]Panathinaikos Athens[/B]

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[B]Roster:[/B]

PG Nick Calathes/Sarunas Jasikevicius/Fotios Zoumpos
SG Romain Sato/David Logan/Alexis Kyritsis
SF Dimitris Diamantidis/Stratos Perperoglou/Pat Calathes
PF Kostas Kaimakoglou/Kostas Tsartsaris/Steven Smith
C Mike Batiste/Ian Vougioukas/Aleks Maric

Coach: Zeljko Obradovic


[B]Schedule:[/B]


[B]Game 1:[/B] At Olympiacos' Arena: May 21st, 2012 - 7:00 P.M. Athens' Time

[B]Game 2:[/B] At Panathinaikos' Arena: May 24th, 2012 - 7:00 P.M. Athens' Time

[B]Game 3:[/B] At Olympiacos' Arena: May 27th, 2012 - 7:00 P.M. Athens' Time

[B]Game 4:[/B] At Panathinaikos' Arena: May 30th, 2012 - 7:00 P.M. Athens' Time

[B]Game 5:[/B] At Olympiacos' Arena: June 2nd, 2012 - 7:00 P.M. Athens' Time


[B]Game links:[/B]


[url]http://www.stopstream.tv/6/[/url]

[url]http://www.basknet.info/live/[/url]

[url]http://www.rojadirecta.me/[/url]


[B]As live game streams come online, they will be added here to this thread.[/B]


[B]Live online stats (in English) during games, can be found here:[/B]

[url]http://www.esake.gr/main/index.php?pl=36&lng=gr&pfpar=bWF0Y2hpZD0xMTIz[/url]


[B]Box Scores of finished games will be available here (in English):[/B]

[url]http://www.esake.gr/main/index.php?lng=en[/url]


[B]Game 1: Olympiacos 84 - Panathinaikos 78[/B]


[B]Box Score: [/B]

[url]http://www.esake.gr/main/index.php?pl=4&lng=en&pfpar=bWF0Y2hpZD0xMjAy[/url]


[B]Game 1 Complete Game: [/B]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o18Hr5l9SGo[/url]


[B]Game 2: Panathinaikos 81 - Olympiacos 79[/B]


[B]Box Score: [/B]

[url]http://www.esake.gr/main/index.php?pl=4&lng=en&pfpar=bWF0Y2hpZD0xMjA0[/url]


[B]Game 2 Complete Game: [/B]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVfq-g5rngw[/url]


[B]Game 3: Olympiacos 84 - Panathinaikos 72[/B]


[B]Box Score: [/B]

[url]http://www.esake.gr/main/index.php?pl=4&lng=en&pfpar=bWF0Y2hpZD0xMjA2[/url]


[B]Game 3 Complete Game: [/B]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=digLSZ8V9LM[/url]


[B]Game 4: Panathinaikos 84 - Olympiacos 74[/B]


[B]Box Score: [/B]

[url]http://www.esake.gr/main/index.php?pl=4&lng=en&pfpar=bWF0Y2hpZD0xMjA4[/url]


[B]Game 4 Complete Game:[/B]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fLk5rc8_EE[/url]

[url]http://www.talkbasket.net/6856-greek-final-cancelled-after-attack-on-panathinaikos-bus.html[/url]

[B]Greek final cancelled after attack on Panathinaikos bus (pics)[/B]

17/05/12 20:16

The first game of the Olympiacos-Panathinaikos Greek A1 finals got cancelled after Panathinaikos bus was attacked on its way to SEF arena.

Panathinaikos bus got attacked with stones near the SEF arena, presumably by Olympiacos fans.

The bus sustained some damages, but the worst thing was the broken glass which injured Stratos Perperoglou and Steven Smith, who were taken to the hospital.

Panathinaikos eventually arrived to SEF, but missing two of their players who are expected to be there soon. However sources from within the Greek League say that a final decision to postpone the game has been taken with the approval of state ministries and the police.

The General Secretary of Sports Ministry of Greece will announce new safety measures tomorrow to be enforced during the A1 finals, possibly allowing only minors to attend the games.


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Only in Greece

— Nick Calathes (@Nick_Calathes15) May 17, 2012

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This is a circus!!! Shame!!!

— Aleks Maric (@maric_aleks) May 17, 2012

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When is game going to be played than ?

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]When is game going to be played than ?[/QUOTE]

I don't know. They have to decide if the games at SEF will be played with an empty arena, or if only people under 17 will be allowed in the arena.

It's a real shame for Olympiacos. After they won the Euroleague, they just lost their home court advantage in the Greek League, because of some idiot hooligans. The main goal for them, by like 80%, is winning the Greek League, by beating Panathinaikos.

Euroleague is a minor thing for them, by comparison in importance.

Now, they just totally lost home court advantage for all 3 home games.

The games in SEF are going to suck now, with either an empty arena, or only maybe 3,000 to 4,000 youth fans allowed in.

:facepalm

Game 1 of the finals has been re-scheduled for Monday May 21st. It will take place at 19:00 hours (7 P.M.) Athens time at SEF.

The bad news is that Panathinaikos hooligans are promising "deaths" in retaliation for this.

It seems that Olympiacos hooligans are saying that the PAO team bus was attacked in retaliation for what happened at the Final Four in Istanbul, where some PAO hooligans attacked some Olympiacos supporters, as their bus arrived, and some were severely beaten.

For game 1 of the finals, at SEF (Olympiacos home arena), there will be,

800 armed riot police inside the arena
attack police dogs

and

a retractable net that can be dropped down from the rafters over the stands to contain the fans if they try to enter onto the court...........

:wtf:


Dimitrios Katsivelis will replace the injured Acie Law for Olympiacos.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]For game 1 of the finals, at SEF (Olympiacos home arena), there will be,

800 armed riot police inside the arena
attack police dogs

and

a retractable net that can be dropped down from the rafters over the stands to contain the fans if they try to enter onto the court...........

:wtf:


Michalis Pelekanos will replace the injured Acie Law for Olympiacos.[/QUOTE]
In Serbia when there is a basketball game between Partizan and Red star only people of home team that have season tickets are allowed , so its only around 1500 people in arena , I think , and not many hooligans . On last derby there was lot of Red Star fans , they insulted Macvan and if I remember corectly they had hit Katic with something ( not sure aboute this ) and that was the worst thing that happend this year when these teams played so I think its safe to say that hooligans were stoped . Greeks should do the same if they dont want that games are like battlefield .

Game 1 live:

[url]http://www.stopstream.tv/41/12/411229.html[/url]

Great block by Hines

Spanoulis 1-9 with 5 turnovers. :lol

Bailed out by Printezis, Papanikolaou, and Hines yet again.

The Brit played really well for Pao.

[QUOTE=Grinder]Spanoulis 1-9 with 5 turnovers. :lol
[/QUOTE]
That showed how good OLY is . They had beaten PAO even though they couldnt hit a ft and Spanoulis played very bad , this showed that this team is great with or without Spanoulis ( ofcourse they are better with him ) .

Panathinaikos fans attacked the bus of Olympiacos' water polo team and set it on fire, in retaliation for the rocks being thrown at the Panathinaikos basketball team's bus.

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]That showed how good OLY is . They had beaten PAO even though they couldnt hit a ft and Spanoulis played very bad , this showed that this team is great with or without Spanoulis ( ofcourse they are better with him ) .[/QUOTE]

Can you imagine a 40 minute game of just Sloukas and Katsivelis at point guard against PAO? Grinder is a moron. Spanoulis is controlling the entire tempo and rhythm of the game and making all the right decisions for his team.

He is calling all the plays. Grinder continues his box score watching expertise.

Anyway, Olympiacos should have gotten the triple this year. The refs robbed them of the Greek Cup. I'm a actually disappointed of that, event though I am a PAO fan. Honestly, this Olympiacos is the best team I've ever seen in Europe.

They deserved to get the triple.

I don't think PAO has any chance at this. The good news though is that supposedly they are about to sign Pappas to a big 3 year contract. So that should help for next season.

[QUOTE=Grinder]Spanoulis 1-9 with 5 turnovers. :lol

Bailed out by Printezis, Papanikolaou, and [B]Hines [/B]yet again.
[B]
The Brit played really well for Pao.[/B][/QUOTE]

Hines? Hines played awful in the Final Four. Put down the crack pipe.

WTF is wrong with you? Vougioukas spent something like 2 weeks in the UK in his entire life, as a baby. Your trolling is super pathetic and xenophobic. If you had any brains at all you would troll and claim he was American, since he actually lived there for 4 years.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Honestly, this Olympiacos is the best team I've ever seen in Europe.
[/QUOTE]
Best team you ever seen in Europe ? This season CSKA is better than OLY and 2009 Barcelona and I m sure you have some others .

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]That showed how good OLY is . They had beaten PAO even though they couldnt hit a ft and Spanoulis played very bad , this showed that this team is great with or without Spanoulis ( ofcourse they are better with him ) .[/QUOTE]

Yep. They've got a great supporting cast. Printezis has been excellent and without him, they would have had no chance in EL. Also shows how much Spanoulis has been overrated by the media and his fans.

PAO will bounce back I'm sure. The series is far from over.

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]Best team you ever seen in Europe ? This season CSKA is better than OLY and 2009 Barcelona and I m sure you have some others .[/QUOTE]

Yep, not even close to the best team in Europe ever unless someone just started watching basketball this year.

[QUOTE=Grinder]Yep. They've got a great supporting cast. Printezis has been excellent and without him, they would have had no chance in EL. Also shows how much Spanoulis has been overrated by the media and his fans.

PAO will bounce back I'm sure. The series is far from over.



Yep, not even close to the best team in Europe ever unless someone just started watching basketball this year.[/QUOTE]
A lot of players are important in OLY . Papanikolau , Spanoulis , Printezis , Hines , Dorsey , Keselj , Sloukas , Antic , Gecevicius everyone is has their role and everyone deserves the same amount of credit for winning Euroleague . PAO is going to lose this series , I said from beging of the season that OLY can win Greek league and now when they won EL they have bigger confidence than PAO and are going to win it easier than I thought at first .

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]Best team you ever seen in Europe ? This season CSKA is better than OLY and 2009 Barcelona and I m sure you have some others .[/QUOTE]
You mean 2010 Barca.

Best teams ever in Europe were 2009 PAO and Split of early 90s.

This Oly team is better than them.

2010 Barca got swept by Baskonia, therefore, not the best team ever. Although they were close. Their point guard position was extremely weak though.

CSKA didn't win Euroleague. Sorry, but they are not the best team ever without winning Euroleague. Besides, the 2005 CSKA team, which also didn't win Euroleague is the best team ever to not win it. That team would beat this year's CSKA.

[QUOTE=Grinder]Yep. They've got a great supporting cast. Printezis has been excellent and without him, they would have had no chance in EL. Also shows how much Spanoulis has been overrated by the media and his fans.

PAO will bounce back I'm sure. The series is far from over.



Yep, not even close to the best team in Europe ever unless someone just started watching basketball this year.[/QUOTE]

You also guaranteed that Olympiacos would beat PAO when Childress and Kleiza were there. Like I told you then, they had NO chance in hell.

You also guaranteed that Olympiacos of 2010 would beat Barca in the finals. Again, I told you were an idiot. Never once do you ever admit you are wrong.

Just like now, you are wrong as usual. Olympiacos will win the series, even with the refs against them.

You never watch these games, you just look at box scores.
[B]
You guaranteed before the season that Olympiacos could not make the Top 16. [/B]

You also said that Printezis was a scrub and "horrible" when I said he would be on Greece's team in 2012. And you said Greece was desperate if a scrub like him would be selected. There is no end to your trolling and hypocrisy.

You are nothing but a troll and an instigator.

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]A lot of players are important in OLY . Papanikolau , Spanoulis , Printezis , Hines , Dorsey , Keselj , Sloukas , Antic , Gecevicius everyone is has their role and everyone deserves the same amount of credit for winning Euroleague . PAO is going to lose this series , I said from beging of the season that OLY can win Greek league and now when they won EL they have bigger confidence than PAO and are going to win it easier than I thought at first .[/QUOTE]

Gecevicius isn't important. Keselj is barely a factor for them. They are both very talented players, but they deserve very minimal credit. Keselj did hit that huge 3 during their rally against CSKA though. Mantzaris is way more important than either of them to Olympiacos.

[QUOTE=Grinder]Yep. They've got a great supporting cast. Printezis has been excellent and without him, they would have had no chance in EL. Also shows how much Spanoulis has been overrated by the media and his fans.

PAO will bounce back I'm sure. The series is far from over.



Yep, not even close to the best team in Europe ever unless someone just started watching basketball this year.[/QUOTE]

You have never seen a Euroleague game.

The best team ever in Europe was 2009 PAO. This Olympiacos team is better.

CSKA isn't better than this team. They can't be better when they lost to them in the finals. Go troll somewhere else.

CSKA 2005 team was actually much better than this year's CSKA team anyway. And that team of 2005, choked the same way.

Grinder, why do you hate Spanoulis so much?

[QUOTE=chains5000]Grinder, why do you hate Spanoulis so much?[/QUOTE]
[B]
Grinder is the poster that goes by the name of KWSN-Men at forums.interbasket.net[/B]

Do a Google search on him, if you don't know about him already.

He also posts on one of the Olympiacos forums in Greek language, where he also trolls.

[B]Game 1 Complete Game (better quality): [/B]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o18Hr5l9SGo[/url]

[QUOTE=Euroleague]You have never seen a Euroleague game.

The best team ever in Europe was 2009 PAO. This Olympiacos team is better.

CSKA isn't better than this team. They can't be better when they lost to them in the finals. Go troll somewhere else.

CSKA 2005 team was actually much better than this year's CSKA team anyway. And that team of 2005, choked the same way.[/QUOTE]
This Oly isnt better than CSKA just because they won Euroleague because it was only one game . In 9 of 10 games this CSKA would beat them , when you say best team it doesnt matter if they didnt won Euroleague it matters that they were best whole season . So no this Oly isnt best team ever .

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Gecevicius isn't important. Keselj is barely a factor for them. They are both very talented players, but they deserve very minimal credit. Keselj did hit that huge 3 during their rally against CSKA though. Mantzaris is way more important than either of them to Olympiacos.[/QUOTE]
Gecevicius did hit those 3 point shoots against PAO two days ago , Keselj played good D against Barcelona and he had hit that important 3 point shoot . Mantzaris also deserves credit but as I said everyone does so no need to write everyones name .

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]This Oly isnt better than CSKA just because they won Euroleague because it was only one game . In 9 of 10 games this CSKA would beat them , when you say best team it doesnt matter if they didnt won Euroleague it matters that they were best whole season . So no this Oly isnt best team ever .[/QUOTE]

CSKA didn't play well against Panathinaikos or Olympiacos. It wasn't one game. It was 2 games in a row. If not for the refs saving them, they would have lost to Panathinaikos in the semifinal. CSKA are a great team. Olympiacos is better.

And like I said, CSKA of 2005 is the best team that didn't win the Euroelague title.

That being said, I would take the current CSKA over any NBA team except the Spurs in a 7 game series.

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]Gecevicius did hit those 3 point shoots against PAO two days ago , Keselj played good D against Barcelona and he had hit that important 3 point shoot . Mantzaris also deserves credit but as I said everyone does so no need to write everyones name .[/QUOTE]

But Keselj and Gecevicius spent half the year not even playing. They are both good players though, especially Keselj. Law also helped Olympiacos a lot in the Top 16. I know you don't like him, which is understandable due to how he played with Partizan, but you have to admit that he was good in the Top 16.

He was terrible against Barca though. I won't count his bad game against CSKA because he was injured.

He's too injury prone though, even though I think he can develop a nice place in Euroleague. All these injuries are causing problems. He missed the Greek Cup final, got hurt during the Euroleague semifinal, is injured now during the Greek League Finals. He has to be more durable than that.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]But Keselj and Gecevicius spent half the year not even playing. They are both good players though, especially Keselj. Law also helped Olympiacos a lot in the Top 16. I know you don't like him, which is understandable due to how he played with Partizan, but you have to admit that he was good in the Top 16.

He was terrible against Barca though. I won't count his bad game against CSKA because he was injured.

He's too injury prone though, even though I think he can develop a nice place in Euroleague. All these injuries are causing problems. He missed the Greek Cup final, got hurt during the Euroleague semifinal, is injured now during the Greek League Finals. He has to be more durable than that.[/QUOTE]
They spent half of the season not playing when everyone said that OLY might not even make top 8 but when they started playing they ended up winning EL ( ofcourse I m not saying they were the ones that made a diffrence but they are one of them ) . Law also got hurt in Partizan and didnt play against Maccabi , he rejected injection that would allow him to play . Reason I dont like Law isnt because he played bad , its not his fault he isnt good enough but he didnt even try . He was allowed to go to USA around New Year and than he refused to come back to Partizan . And before F4 he said that Ivkovic is great coach that showed him his role something that they didnt do in Partizan , than he said that its great to play with Spanoulis because he is great leader and Partizan didnt have a leader . If he didnt get that he was supoused to be player that will be the leader than that says something aboute his IQ but with things he said he also disrespected his old coach and teammeats .

[QUOTE=Euroleague]CSKA didn't play well against Panathinaikos or Olympiacos. It wasn't one game. It was 2 games in a row. If not for the refs saving them, they would have lost to Panathinaikos in the semifinal. CSKA are a great team. Olympiacos is better.

And like I said, CSKA of 2005 is the best team that didn't win the Euroelague title.

That being said, I would take the current CSKA over any NBA team except the Spurs in a 7 game series.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that PAO or OLY could beat CSKA in a 7 game series ? Reffs didnt help CSKA , we already discussed that and couldnt agree so lets not start discussing it again .

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]Are you saying that PAO or OLY could beat CSKA in a 7 game series ? Reffs didnt help CSKA , we already discussed that and couldnt agree so lets not start discussing it again .[/QUOTE]

You can't be serious that the refs didn't help CSKA...........do you need to see the YouTube video of the ridiculous calls the refs made at the end of the game?
You are not being objective.

CSKA was gifted the win by the refs.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]You can't be serious that the refs didn't help CSKA...........do you need to see the YouTube video of the ridiculous calls the refs made at the end of the game?
You are not being objective.

CSKA was gifted the win by the refs.[/QUOTE]
You didnt awnser my question . Do you think PAO and OLY ( or any team in Europe ) could beat CSKA in 7 game series ?

[B]Game 2 live:[/B]

[url]http://www.stopstream.tv/41/17/411747.html[/url]

Very bad game so far . To many fts .

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]Very bad game so far . To many fts .[/QUOTE]

This is how it always is in the Greek Finals. Diamantidis owns the refs. He's the D-Whistle of Europe.

Anyway, I find it really odd that Ivkovic is using Katsivelis instead of Pelekanos. Just that couple minutes when Katsivelis was in was probably the difference in the game.

Good news so far for the Greek national team though. Kaimakoglou continues to look like he finally developed as a player and Perperoglou finally looks healthy again. Greece NT is going to have quite a lot of options, even with all the injuries and refusals.

With that being said, Calathes plays horrible as usual.

Euroleague you still didnt awnser my question .

Olympiacos' arena Peach and Friendship Stadium SEF with all of the fan seating tiers around the court removed ("to control fan rioting"), and with the new "crowd control" net in place............

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[B]Game 1: Olympiacos 84 - Panathinaikos 78[/B]


[B]Box Score: [/B]

[url]http://www.esake.gr/main/index.php?pl=4&lng=en&pfpar=bWF0Y2hpZD0xMjAy[/url]


[B]Game 2: Panathinaikos 81 - Olympiacos 79[/B]


[B]Box Score: [/B]

[url]http://www.esake.gr/main/index.php?pl=4&lng=en&pfpar=bWF0Y2hpZD0xMjA0[/url]


[B]Game 3: Olympiacos 84 - Panathinaikos 72[/B]


[B]Box Score: [/B]

[url]http://www.esake.gr/main/index.php?pl=4&lng=en&pfpar=bWF0Y2hpZD0xMjA2[/url]

[B]Game 1 Complete Game (better quality):[/B]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o18Hr5l9SGo[/url]


[B]Game 2 Complete Game:
[/B]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVfq-g5rngw[/url]