Heat need a decent center bad

Clippers,lakers, pacers, rockets, nuggets, grizzles,spurs and even the Knicks playing well are gonna give them major problems on the defensive end. bosh might be doing a decent job with help defense but it messes up rotations and causes all types of negatives. theyre gonna win 55+ games probably but as a heat fan I'm worried. they better pickup a decent big man for when the game slows down or they're not getting by lakers, and defiantly not the grizzles or clippers . Do they think bosh will really play center if they met grizzles in the finals?? It's very possible and so are a couple other scenarios .I cant see why they're banking on playing this way all the way through the playoffs..I know it worked last years playoffs, but you have teams that have gotten better out there (out west)now that will make you pay for playing small ball.

No they just need to stop playing Battier at the 4.

Dexter Pittman...he's right there sitting next to the gatorade. Play him.

Indy can't give the Bucks problems, let alone Miami. I'm fine with their absolutely horrendous start being overlooked even more than their great season last year, but the Pacers ****ing suck. The two best players on the team are Lance Stephenson and Tyler Hansbrough. That tells you all you need to know.

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Indy can't give the Bucks problems, let alone Miami. I'm fine with their absolutely horrendous start being overlooked even more than their great season last year, but the Pacers ****ing suck. The two best players on the team are Lance Stephenson and Tyler Hansbrough. That tells you all you need to know.[/QUOTE]
Who knew Danny Granger was so important?

[quote=RRR3]Who knew Danny Granger was so important?[/quote]He's not. And that's not a knock on Granger. It's a gigantic **** you to everyone else employed by the organization. Frank Vogel's cheerleader skirt wearing ass especially.

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]He's not. And that's not a knock on Granger. It's a gigantic **** you to everyone else employed by the organization. Frank Vogel's cheerleader skirt wearing ass especially.[/QUOTE]
What's going on with your boy Hibbert? And why haven't West and George stepped up more? BTW you wouldn't have lost that Toronto game with Granger. I'm just sayin'.

They should reach out to Birdman. Decent defensive center, great shotblocker

getting birdman would be interesting.. would have been more interesting if they picked up darko lol would love to see the 2003 class play

[quote=RRR3]What's going on with your boy Hibbert? And why haven't West and George stepped up more? BTW you wouldn't have lost that Toronto game with Granger. I'm just sayin'.[/quote]Hibbert's a punk that has nuts smaller than me despite the 100 pound size difference. West has honestly played fairly well, offensively anyway, dude's just been bricking, everything's short.

George has stepped up. He's just not "the next McGrady" like a bunch of morons said. His handle's better (for 6'9 wing), he's hitting the boards, still playing strong on ball D. He's just not as good or going to be as good as people made him out to be, as I tried to tell people. I don't fault him for not being able to carry a team at 22 years old while coming into the league with nothing but spot up skills. Plenty of idiots do, but I don't.

They try to run shit through Hibbert but it just doesn't work. They give it to him from 8 or so feet out and try to cut off him but Granger's not there so defenders have no reason not to cheat and by the time Hibbert's passing lanes are closed defense is more than set and he's just weak. Quick dump down and a little baby over the shoulder hook is his move, not dribble a guy down under the hoop. His punk ass can't eve get consistent block position, let alone create it after he catches the entry.

Indy's offense is a legitimate disaster.

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Hibbert's a punk that has nuts smaller than me despite the 100 pound size difference. West has honestly played fairly well, offensively anyway, dude's just been bricking, everything's short.

George has stepped up. He's just not "the next McGrady" like a bunch of morons said. His handle's better (for 6'9 wing), he's hitting the boards, still playing strong on ball D. He's just not as good or going to be as good as people made him out to be, as I tried to tell people. I don't fault him for not being able to carry a team at 22 years old while coming into the league with nothing but spot up skills. Plenty of idiots do, but I don't.

They try to run shit through Hibbert but it just doesn't work. They give it to him from 8 or so feet out and try to cut off him but Granger's not there so defenders have no reason not to cheat and by the time Hibbert's passing lanes are closed defense is more than set and he's just weak. Quick dump down and a little baby over the shoulder hook is his move, not dribble a guy down under the hoop. His punk ass can't eve get consistent block position, let alone create it after he catches the entry.

Indy's offense is a legitimate disaster.[/QUOTE]
Good post, but I'm telling you Granger is important! Maybe he has become underrated?

Two more things:
When is Hansbrough going to start having a FG% that is acceptable for his position?
Surprised by Stephenson doing well, especially with his 3PT shooting
Also, new guys (Green, Augustin, Mahinmi, Young). Good, bad, meh?

They could do with one for certain for need one? They won the title without one. They need to adjust line-ups in certain match-ups but they won playing small ball.

They don't need a center, just another big. Kenyon Martin is said to have Miami on the top of his list. They should pick him up. Udonis isn't playing as well as he did a few seasons back.

[QUOTE=All Net]They won the title without one. They need to adjust line-ups in certain match-ups but they won playing small ball.[/QUOTE]
QFT


I wish they played Joel 'The Warden' Anthony more, though.
I miss his Dwight-esque blocks (sending the ball into stands).

..like the one from yesterday
[url]http://youtu.be/SiXdBKQXoaI[/url]

Anthony isn't playing .. always a defensive stopper along with Haslem.

I expect this combo to be on the floor soon , to stop the bleeding.

Joel is the best center on the roster but Spo wants to be a trendsetter.

The problem with Joel is that he's awful at rebounding, which goes hand in hand with defense. Miami could use a decent center, but there are none willing to play for the minimum. They're going to have a good enough team to get into the playoffs and then just ride it out until the playoffs and see how far LeBron can take them.

[QUOTE=InfiniteBaskets]The problem with Joel is that he's awful at rebounding, which goes hand in hand with defense. Miami could use a decent center, but there are none willing to play for the minimum. They're going to have a good enough team to get into the playoffs and then just ride it out until the playoffs and see how far LeBron can take them.[/QUOTE]

Joel is a pretty good offensive rebounder. When he can't grab the ball himself, he taps it to a teammate and that rebound does not get credited to him. It happens several times a game (when he gets PT).

He is not a very good defensive rebounder, but he is one of the best rim protectors in the league. His defensive impact was underrated last year, so I'm glad that they are struggling without him this year.

The Heat definitely need a serviceable center. With the way they were originally constructed as a team, they could rely on simply just having enough talent to compensate for the lack of a post presence on either side of the ball. I don't know if Wade has truly declined or if he's just off to a slow start due to injury. If he's truly declined, then IMO, the Heat just don't have that "talent" advantage anymore which can compensate for their post deficiencies.

[QUOTE=pegasus]Joel is a pretty good offensive rebounder. When he can't grab the ball himself, he taps it to a teammate and that rebound does not get credited to him. It happens several times a game (when he gets PT).

He is not a very good defensive rebounder, but he is one of the best rim protectors in the league. [B]His defensive impact was underrated last year, so I'm glad that they are struggling without him this year.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ditto! :pimp:

[QUOTE=Toizumi]They should reach out to Birdman. Decent defensive center, great shotblocker[/QUOTE]

:biggums:

he's basically a white Joel Anthony

if anything, Anthony is better than Birdman at this point.

The Heat needs someone like Okafor.

[QUOTE=pegasus]Joel is a pretty good offensive rebounder. When he can't grab the ball himself, he taps it to a teammate and that rebound does not get credited to him. It happens several times a game (when he gets PT).

He is not a very good defensive rebounder, but he is one of the best rim protectors in the league. His defensive impact was underrated last year, so I'm glad that they are struggling without him this year.[/QUOTE]

I agree with the backtaps on offense, but that's all he provides on offense. He's a mediocre defensive rebounder and terrible offensive player. He can't even catch the ball right underneath the basket for easy dunks.

I wouldn't mind trying to pair Joel with Bosh and then having Ray Allen on offense with LeBron and Chalmers. At least when you're launching threes it gives you more room to backtap. :lol

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Hibbert's a punk that has nuts smaller than me despite the 100 pound size difference. West has honestly played fairly well, offensively anyway, dude's just been bricking, everything's short.

George has stepped up. He's just not "the next McGrady" like a bunch of morons said. His handle's better (for 6'9 wing), he's hitting the boards, still playing strong on ball D. He's just not as good or going to be as good as people made him out to be, as I tried to tell people. I don't fault him for not being able to carry a team at 22 years old while coming into the league with nothing but spot up skills. Plenty of idiots do, but I don't.

They try to run shit through Hibbert but it just doesn't work. They give it to him from 8 or so feet out and try to cut off him but Granger's not there so defenders have no reason not to cheat and by the time Hibbert's passing lanes are closed defense is more than set and he's just weak. Quick dump down and a little baby over the shoulder hook is his move, not dribble a guy down under the hoop. His punk ass can't eve get consistent block position, let alone create it after he catches the entry.

Indy's offense is a legitimate disaster.[/QUOTE]

Eric Bledsoe for Paul George?

[QUOTE=InfiniteBaskets]I agree with the backtaps on offense, but that's all he provides on offense. He's a mediocre defensive rebounder and terrible offensive player. He can't even catch the ball right underneath the basket for easy dunks.

I wouldn't mind trying to pair Joel with Bosh and then having Ray Allen on offense with LeBron and Chalmers. At least when you're launching threes it gives you more room to backtap. :lol[/QUOTE]

i always try to think to myself why blue-collar player like Joel is such a bad rebounder.

normally hard work pays off :confusedshrug:

and he has great athleticism for his position

with that said,he was VERY effective in that Bulls series 2 years ago and maybe needs to get more minutes.

[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]i always try to think to myself why blue-collar player like Joel is such a bad rebounder.

normally hard work pays off :confusedshrug:

and he has great athleticism for his position

with that said,he was VERY effective in that Bulls series 2 years ago and maybe needs to get more minutes.[/QUOTE]

He lacks fundamentals. Haslem needs to teach him how to get his timing and positioning down. But I don't think Joel's shown much effort to learn.

He's made no effort to develop his offensive arsenal at all in the past 4 years.

[QUOTE=InfiniteBaskets]The problem with Joel is that he's awful at rebounding, which goes hand in hand with defense. Miami could use a decent center, but there are none willing to play for the minimum. They're going to have a good enough team to get into the playoffs and then just ride it out until the playoffs and see how far LeBron can take them.[/QUOTE]


There you go. If he was a bad rebounder (rough) but didn't suck so hard at catching the ball when wide open, he would be starting. If he was just as bad (and even a little worse) on offense, but could give you a rebound every 3 min, he'd be starting. It's hard to be a defensive specialist at C, who rebounds less than the SF even when the SF isn't Lebron.



You guys should really give Harrellson a start and I'll tell you why. He's a decent shot-blocker, tho he isn't a true rim protector. He isn't an anchor. But he's a great post defender and he is terrific at contesting shots and doing so without fouling (like ever). He's also a solid rebounder.


Chris Bosh works at C, for offense. Just like KG. Because he ends up a stretch 5 or, more accurately, his old self at PF. It forces him to get in the low post and be recognized by the team. It also clears the lane and compensates for him not running the floor. He's also a trailer on the run. Harrellson is not gonna clog the lane on offense, as he'll end up on the perimeter a lot and also setting a lot of screens and working hard, doing the little things that would greatly benefit Miami. Chris Bosh doesn't work on defense. He's a shot-blocker under the rim but he's not a rim-protector and his rotations are not good enough. Give Harrellson a shot.

Put Anthony in the starting line-up over Battier. Make the second unit Ray/Lewis/Haslem/Battier/Cole, that way Battier's perimeter defense covers up Ray's deficiencies and Anthony can stop Battier from getting manhandled early or getting into foul trouble and also switch with Bosh defensively

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Indy can't give the Bucks problems, let alone Miami. I'm fine with their absolutely horrendous start being overlooked even more than their great season last year, but the Pacers ****ing suck. The two best players on the team are Lance Stephenson and Tyler Hansbrough. That tells you all you need to know.[/QUOTE]
Do you feel larry birds departure has anything to do with the teams current performance?

[QUOTE=K.Koscik]Do you feel larry birds departure has anything to do with the teams current performance?[/QUOTE]



I know you're asking someone else, but if I could off my two cents: I think the team's current performance has something to do with Bird not being there...more accurately, I think the current team is why he's not there.

[QUOTE=Jax]Joel is the best center on the roster but Spo wants to be a trendsetter.[/QUOTE]

I always thought that Joel was good at changing shots and is solid defender. He can't do anything else though.

Miami don't really need a center. It would help if they had one, but they don't need one to win the East. They need to kick up their defense. Their defense isn't what it used to be last year. And they need healthy Wade.

I still think Dexter Pittman has some offensive talent. Horrible defender though, does nothing but foul.

Stop overeating they will be fine.

Yeah, the Heat definitely need more help. It's not like they can win a title with this group.



























































:facepalm

I think the Heat are fine where they are and don't need to make any big moves. They have a relatively clear path to the finals and I expect it to stay that way.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Eric Bledsoe for Paul George?[/QUOTE]
lol

I don't see why they can't just play Anthony. He's an above average defender, especially for his size.

[QUOTE=no pun intended]I don't see why they can't just play Anthony. He's an above average defender, especially for his size.[/QUOTE]

I agree, I still think he has value to this team.

[/SIZE][QUOTE=Day La Ghetto]Clippers,lakers, pacers, rockets, nuggets, grizzles,spurs and even the Knicks playing well are gonna give them major problems on the defensive end. bosh might be doing a decent job with help defense but it messes up rotations and causes all types of negatives. theyre gonna win 55+ games probably but as a heat fan I'm worried. they better pickup a decent big man for when the game slows down or they're not getting by lakers, and defiantly not the grizzles or clippers . Do they think bosh will really play center if they met grizzles in the finals?? It's very possible and so are a couple other scenarios .I cant see why they're banking on playing this way all the way through the playoffs..I know it worked last years playoffs, but you have teams that have gotten better out there (out west)now that will make you pay for playing small ball.[/QUOTE]

Almost all of the teams you listed play in the west, meaning that the Heat can only meet a maximum of 1 of them in the entire playoffs, unless you are implying that these teams will sweep the Heat throughout the season and somehow keep them out of the playoffs. The issue with the Lakers, Grizzlies, and Clippers on their agenda come playoff time is not whether they can beat the Heat, its whether they can beat each other.

The HEat have a much easier path to the finals than the teams you listed as their top competitors, which is an advantage in itself. Indy doesn't have a great shot against the Heat, if any. NYK has a chance but MIA are still heavy favorites.

[QUOTE=no pun intended]I don't see why they can't just play Anthony. He's an above average defender, especially for his size.[/QUOTE]

true, but as mentioned before, he has zero offensive game. Often he can't even catch a pass. At the moment it seems Spo only plays guys who can make shots. So basically Miami tries to outscore their opponents and once the playoffs start they will try to step their defense up. Nevertheless I think they should play a more traditional style with a true center an PF more often. It wouldn't hurt to get more rebounds and a few easy second chance points every once in a while!

If the Heat ended up in the finals against the Griz, the Griz' bigs would give them effing fits. They did a number on our bigs and nearly fouled most of them out. Bosh at the 4 can't check Z-Bo let alone checking Gasol at the 5. It would be murder in the paint.