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Old 12-09-2012, 07:36 AM   #11
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Default Re: Why didn't Bill Russell win the 1964 MVP?

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Originally Posted by ThaRegul8r
This is factually untrue, which tends to invalidate the rest for me when a blatantly false statement is made which could easily have been looked up on basketball-reference for confirmation.

I unfortunately did research it long time ago, i love facts, dont worry...

Out of the 57 MVP winners, 55-56 won them having a top 1-4 team record, even those who won it having a 4th best team record were extremly few....

Only 1-2 players have actually won the MVP having worse team record than top 4 best, Michael Jordan 1987-88 (#5 best team record) and most notably Kareem Abdul Jabbar 1975-76 (#8 best team record).... I didnt count them because they were 1-2 very very very very rare MVP runs (especially Kareem)...

What Kareem did in 1975-76 and how the scenario panned out for him to win the MVP was once in a life time thing...

Im not even sure if i should talk about Michaels season as he was close enough to having the #4 best team record and we all know it shouldnt matter much in this very very rare specimens case that season, the league recognised his horrible supporting cast and recognised his ridicilous numbers/performance/impact (and possibly that he was maybe the best player in the NBA with or without the MVP).... he was only 3 wins away from having the #4 best team record anyways...

Kareem Abdul Jabbar won the MVP in 1975-76 having the #8 best team record.... this is what happened, out of the 18 teams in the NBA that season 13 teams were basically hovering around close to eachother / average winning percentages..... Kareem was only 2 wins away from climbing much higher on the best record list for example... so the record didnt matter much..... also he just like Jordan above was recognised for his ridicilous performance/impact based on what he had to work with around him... that was a rare exception and a lucky one, especially when considering those 2 top teams (and many others) that year didnt really have that much of a guy that clearly stoodout as the MVP for their specific teams, most teams were actually like that, stacked, playing team basketball.... Kareem was by far the best player in the league....

Except for those 1-2 rare but understandable and fully MVP deserving exceptions everything looks exactly like i said.....

Take a look:

2011-12 LeBron James Miami (#4 best team record)
2010-11 Derrick Rose Chicago (#1 best team record)
2009-10 LeBron James Cleveland (#1 best team record)
2008-09 LeBron James Cleveland (#1 best team record)
2007-08 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers (#3 best team record)
2006-07 Dirk Nowitzki Dallas (#1 best team record)
2005-06 Steve Nash Phoenix (#4 best team record)
2004-05 Steve Nash Phoenix (#1 best team record)
2003-04 Kevin Garnett Minnesota (#2 best team record)
2002-03 Tim Duncan San Antonio (#1 best team record)
2001-02 Tim Duncan San Antonio (#2 best team record)
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia (#2 best team record)
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal Los Angeles Lakers (#1 best team record)
1998-99 Karl Malone Utah (#1 best team record)
1997-98 Michael Jordan Chicago (#1 best team record)
1996-97 Karl Malone Utah (#2 best team record)
1995-96 Michael Jordan Chicago (#1 best team record)
1994-95 David Robinson San Antonio (#1 best team record)
1993-94 Hakeem Olajuwon Houston (#2 best team record)
1992-93 Charles Barkley Phoenix (#1 best team record)
1991-92 Michael Jordan Chicago (#1 best team record)
1990-91 Michael Jordan Chicago (#2 best team record)
1989-90 Magic Johnson Los Angeles Lakers (#1 best team record)
1988-89 Magic Johnson Los Angeles Lakers (#2 best team record)
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago (#5 best team record)
1986-87 Magic Johnson Los Angeles Lakers (#1 best team record)
1985-86 Larry Bird Boston (#1 best team record)
1984-85 Larry Bird Boston (#1 best team record)
1983-84 Larry Bird Boston (#1 best team record)
1982-83 Moses Malone Philadelphia (#1 best team record)
1981-82 Moses Malone Houston (#2 best team record)
1980-81 Julius Erving Philadelphia (#1 best team record)
1979-80 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles (#2 best team record)
1978-79 Moses Malone Houston (#4 best team record)
1977-78 Bill Walton Portland (#1 best team record)
1976-77 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles (#1 best team record)
1975-76 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles (#8 best team record)
1974-75 Bob McAdoo Buffalo (#3 best team record)
1973-74 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee (#1 best team record)
1972-73 Dave Cowens Boston (#1 best team record)
1971-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee (#2 best team record)
1970-71 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee (#1 best team record)
1969-70 Willis Reed New York (#1 best team record)
1968-69 Wes Unseld Baltimore (#1 best team record)
1967-68 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia (#1 best team record)
1966-67 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia (#1 best team record)
1965-66 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia (#1 best team record)
1964-65 Bill Russell Boston (#1 best team record)
1963-64 Oscar Robertson Cincinnati (#2 best team record)
1962-63 Bill Russell Boston (#1 best team record)
1961-62 Bill Russell Boston (#1 best team record)
1960-61 Bill Russell Boston (#1 best team record)
1959-60 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia (#2 best team record)
1958-59 Bob Pettit St. Louis (#2 best team record)
1957-58 Bill Russell Boston (#1 best team record)
1956-57 Bob Cousy Boston (#1 best team record)
1955-56 Bob Pettit St. Louis (#4 best team record)

49 out of 57 MVPs were handed out to players with the top 2 records in the NBA = 86%
6 out of 57 MVPs were handed out to players having the 3rd & 4th best records in the NBA = 10%
1 out of 57 MVPs was handed out to a player with 5th best record in the NBA = 2%
1 out of 57 MVPs was handed out to a player with 8th best record in the NBA = 2%

What does that tell you?

No my friend.... the chances for a player to win the MVP having a worse winning percentage than top 4 is close to impossible... unless you are the greatest basketball player to ever lace up a pair of shoes that just so happened to play with scrubs and still managed to get close to the 4th best team record (while also those top 4 teams didnt really have much of a player with a stronger MVP case than you considering how much more they had to work with around them and how much less they produced)... only in that case may your team record be considered to be overlooked, even then you must be lucky and even then your team record cant be to bad...

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