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Old 12-31-2012, 06:41 PM   #54
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Default Re: Which is more impressive?

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Originally Posted by KG215


Ok, if that's the case, then why include the Finals results. Isn't that a team accomplishment? Why not just say each player made the Finals and these are their stats during that playoff run.

Obviously Kobe's numbers weren't as good as they might've been without Shaq. But we also don't know how 21 year old Kobe would've handled the pressure of carrying a bad supporting cast through the playoffs with the defense almost solely focused on stopping him. But we do know how 22 year old LeBron handled that responsibility.

So, if the end result of one winning the championship and the other being swept, I have the right to know who their teammates were and what their role on the team was. Stats from what would be future playoff runs at a more advanced and mature age carry almost zero weight with me when talking about which 21-22 year old was more impressive in their first playoffs run that resulted in a Finals appearance.

And if you're going to tell me things like who their teammates were don't matter, then I'm going to just ignore the results of the Finals and just focus on the fact that both players reached the Finals.


The 2007 Cavs were the 4th best defense in the league. Its hard to give credit to that ranking to Lebron given the fact he proclaimed in later years that he was NOW trying on both side of the ball and didnt earn his first all defensive team award until two seasons later. The value of his supporting cast was mainly their defensive ability.

In terms of this topic I don't personally find it very impressive no matter what his teammates were for Lebron to lead his team past two .500 teams. Nor do I find it particularly impressive to get swept in the Finals. That leaves one series vs the Pistons.

Game 1- 76-79

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705210DET.html

Cavs defense holds the Pistons offense to 97.9 offensive rating

Lebron's TS% .333
Teams total TS% .407

Highest Cavs GameScore = Illguaskas

Game 2 76-79

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705240DET.html

Cavs defense holds the Pistons offense to a 94.5 offensive rating

Lebron's TS% .430
Teams total TS% .466

Highest Cavs GameScore = Varejao


Game 3 88-82

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705270CLE.html

Cavs defense holds the Pistons offense to a 102.0 offensive rating

Lebron's TS% .641
Teams total TS% .577

Highest Cavs GameScore =Lebron


Game 4 91-87

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705290CLE.html

Cavs defense holds the Pistons offense to a 98.5 offensive rating

Lebron's TS% .544
Teams total TS% .551

Highest Cavs GameScore =Lebron


Game 5

Cavs defense holds the Pistons offense to a 111.6 offensive rating

Lebron's TS% .613
Teams total TS% .550
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705310DET.html

Highest Cavs GameScore =Lebron

Game 6

Cavs defense holds the Pistons offense to a 92.9 offensive rating

Lebron's TS% .517
Teams total TS% .531

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...706020CLE.html

Highest Cavs GameScore =Boobie Gibson

His teammates took home the player of the game moniker 50% of the time. They also played four games of elite defense and one game of great defense. I'm sure a ton of players would happily take that.

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