Originally Posted by lilbeastnani
Billups played like 20 games with us. Hakeem in a Raptors uniform for that one season at age 39 with badly injured knees was just sad and pathetic. Keon Clark I agree. Sucks about the drug problems he got into but he was a great energy guy. Amazing athleticism, good defender, rebounder and shot blocker. And he was a lefty too. Kind of like Ed Davis with more spring in his legs.
I agree with most, but in limited minutes I still believe Hakeem even at that age could give me more than solid effort.
When he was getting starting minutes he could still grab 20 rebounds, block 9 shots, and get double digit points on certain nights. He doesn't have to play out of his mind or anything, but no doubt is a far away shell from Houston Hakeem.
Originally Posted by bokes15
True, but my thing with that is even an unmotivated/lazy mid season form D-Wade was better than Vince. The dude was putting up 25/5/7/2/1 in his sleep and getting called out. And on top of that he was wasting his prime on a horrible roster that was banking on pulling a heist in the offseason (which I guess they did, successfully).
Vince on the other hand, it wasn't about conditioning or mid season lulls. It was about heart, desire, drive, his demeanor, his willingness or lackthereof to use his god given ability to attack the basket, his determination. On winning teams it was questioned, on losing teams it was question. He just had that infuriating ability to just turn it on when he wants and then to be in cruise control the rest of the time. That's mainly what i meant.
Ah okay, I agree with you. Wade is much better even when he isn't giving full effort, which is also shame on how wasted Carter's talent really is. Dude had the full offensive arsenal at his best and all he needed was defensive effort... but you just can't teach effort.