9/11 truthers, how do you explain Bin Laden?

[SouBeachTalents]

I dont see how 3 is indicative of anything. Wasnt redudant or beneficial. The picture of him being told probably went around the world.

I mean, the first tower was hit BEFORE he entered that room. He already had knowledge. So you could easily argue they were going for that.


2) I dont think planting WMDs is very easy.


A terror attack gave Americans a much better picture of an enemy, and Israel too ("greater Israel").


Netanyahu was in Congress in 2002 and suggested to America that they should overthrow Saddam Hussein, for "Democracy".

Theres a book called "A Clean Break" which focuses on how America and Israel planned to overthrow Hussein since the 90s.



Youd be right about 1). I wouldnt see the motive for that.


However, there are many disputes about those events too.

Many experts have said no plane crashed into the Pentagon.

No words on Bin Laden?



As for 4) and 5):

Its not Bush who would have orchestrated it. He was just the sitting president. He probably would have had knowledge, but what was really interesting to me; what Vivek said the last couple of days:

President Biden has cognitive difficulties. President Harris has cognitive difficulties. This isnt by mistake. This is by design. Bush was a simpleton too. These people are prob in over their head and its by design. They dont lead the country after all.


And you overestimate the amount of people that would have to be in on this. Many could act along accordingly while believing what theyre doing is good, this is where the CIA funding and training Abajeen or whatever fighters comes into play, for example. Mobilizing them. You work up someone like Bin Laden, its an easy sell to many Islamists to do what they did.

The stuff at the airport would never have had to happen.

Did anyone at the airport actually witness these guys? Any witness accounts?

They did find wreckage of a plane at the Pentagon, including multiple eyewitness reports corroborating a story of a plane flying by and hitting the Pentagon. There were also people on the plane who called loved ones stating their plane had been hijacked, just as there were on the other 3 planes.

I feel like if they were capable of executing a plot the magnitude of 9/11, I couldn't imagine planting WMD's would be any more difficult to pull off, or hell, just producing photos and footage of WMD's somewhere else and saying they were found in Iraq. To straight up claim there were no WMD's discovered in Iraq is imo arguably the biggest blow to the conspiracy angle.

I can't think of a single benefit for them to do that if their agenda was to orchestrate these attacks as a pretense for invading Iraq, then after riling up the country with fears Iraq had weapons, to then say they didn't. I would genuinely like to hear an argument for why they would do this.

In addition to this, if they wanted to shoehorn Iraq into this, why didn't they have a single of the 19 hijackers come from Iraq, how would it benefit their plot to have the vast majority of them be Saudi instead of Iraqi?

I don't disagree regarding Bush on 9/11, it's honestly not a huge factor, I just feel like you'd want to be as lowkey as possible, and keep your patsy out of public view the morning you're planning these attacks.

As for people witnessing the hijackers at the airport, I really don't think they'd be noticeable to anybody. These guys took early morning flights on relatively empty planes, they were wearing normal business clothes, it's not like they'd really stick out to anybody. There are photos/videos of the hijackers going through security as well.

In regards to Bin Laden, Al Qaeda had conducted attacks on US embassies in Africa and a US naval vessel previously, so they had been on the US's radar prior to 9/11. Do you believe he was working with the US through those attacks as well, that they were a prelude for what they were planning on 9/11? And what do you make of the WTC bombing in '95, do you think that was also perpetrated by the government?

[jstern]

Planting WMD's is not that easy. From what I could remember, they probably tried with the B-52H bomber nuclear weapon incident, back in 2007.

And it's a very deep memory, but I'm 90% sure that some 5 or so US soldier were exposed to nuclear radiation as they tried to sneak it in to Iraq, back in around 2005. And such a thing is not going to get reported on in the news. I remember very clearing feeling bad that these 5 or so US soldier were ****ed due to nuclear radiation poisoning, but at the same time understanding that they were doing something bad.

I could track it down, but I would have to do an RRR3 level of digging around that would probably require hours.

[Bill Gates]

Planting some chemical weapons in Iraq would be infinitely easier than staging 9/11. Like literally 1,000x easier. They wouldn't even have to be real. No one thought they had nukes.

[Bill Gates]

Some of you don't really understand the depth that the conspiracy would have to go. Funerals for all the pilots happened. So either the Gov convinced those pilots to commit mass murder suicide of 2 thousand others, or they created fake families and staged fake funerals. Hundreds of actors, with fake social media posts. And if the planes were flown remote into the buildings? Then the airlines and airport would have to be in on it. And how did the plane personnel not notice there were no pilots?

And that is just one small facet of all this. Not even touching what would be involved in rigging everything up without entire buildings of people noticing.



I can buy that there are evil people that would kill thousands for whatever gain. But I can not buy that there are hundreds of those all collaborating together and over the course of 25 years not a single peep.

[warriorfan]

Planting some chemical weapons in Iraq would be infinitely easier than staging 9/11. Like literally 1,000x easier. They wouldn't even have to be real. No one thought they had nukes.

They needed to up the ante to fast track the Patriot act and NSA. This wasn’t just about an excuse for war.

Some of you don't really understand the depth that the conspiracy would have to go. Funerals for all the pilots happened. So either the Gov convinced those pilots to commit mass murder suicide of 2 thousand others, or they created fake families and staged fake funerals. Hundreds of actors, with fake social media posts. And if the planes were flown remote into the buildings? Then the airlines and airport would have to be in on it. And how did the plane personnel not notice there were no pilots?

And that is just one small facet of all this. Not even touching what would be involved in rigging everything up without entire buildings of people noticing.



I can buy that there are evil people that would kill thousands for whatever gain. But I can not buy that there are hundreds of those all collaborating together and over the course of 25 years not a single peep.

This is a hilarious brain dead straw man post. “I dont know how people did something so therefor it’s impossible!”


Pretty sure theres lots of problems you aren’t able to figure out and solve, doesn’t automatically make them impossible.

[ArbitraryWater]

They did find wreckage of a plane at the Pentagon, including multiple eyewitness reports corroborating a story of a plane flying by and hitting the Pentagon. There were also people on the plane who called loved ones stating their plane had been hijacked, just as there were on the other 3 planes.

I feel like if they were capable of executing a plot the magnitude of 9/11, I couldn't imagine planting WMD's would be any more difficult to pull off, or hell, just producing photos and footage of WMD's somewhere else and saying they were found in Iraq. To straight up claim there were no WMD's discovered in Iraq is imo arguably the biggest blow to the conspiracy angle.

I can't think of a single benefit for them to do that if their agenda was to orchestrate these attacks as a pretense for invading Iraq, then after riling up the country with fears Iraq had weapons, to then say they didn't. I would genuinely like to hear an argument for why they would do this.

In addition to this, if they wanted to shoehorn Iraq into this, why didn't they have a single of the 19 hijackers come from Iraq, how would it benefit their plot to have the vast majority of them be Saudi instead of Iraqi?

I don't disagree regarding Bush on 9/11, it's honestly not a huge factor, I just feel like you'd want to be as lowkey as possible, and keep your patsy out of public view the morning you're planning these attacks.

As for people witnessing the hijackers at the airport, I really don't think they'd be noticeable to anybody. These guys took early morning flights on relatively empty planes, they were wearing normal business clothes, it's not like they'd really stick out to anybody. There are photos/videos of the hijackers going through security as well.

In regards to Bin Laden, Al Qaeda had conducted attacks on US embassies in Africa and a US naval vessel previously, so they had been on the US's radar prior to 9/11. Do you believe he was working with the US through those attacks as well, that they were a prelude for what they were planning on 9/11? And what do you make of the WTC bombing in '95, do you think that was also perpetrated by the government?

I mean, that was silly enough to begin with, right? Associating Iraq with the attack.

Netanyahu said infront of congress that there is no question Hussein is linked to the attack and is developing WMDs.

So they went for it either way.


They made it seem plausible that there might be. It was important to establish a connection and to say hed plan to, and they did.

They got their oil and destabilized the region, mission accomplished. And still have the terror bogeyman.

The fact there werent any Iraqis themselves on the planes might not have been so easy to control and Al Qaeda didnt represent any country to begin with.

If Bin laden was worked up to act in their best interests, its very plausible those things happened under their watch somewhat, as well, of course.

I cant speak on his colleagues, but thats the good part about it for the CIA, they wouldnt even have had to be in on it, as motivation could be easily found, just intelligence and funds would have to be supplied their way.

So its kind of along the lines with Israel funding Hamas and Netanyahu doing his best to keep Hamas alive and going.

Cant say I know too much about the 95 bombing, Id say its real, could just be not the right time/plan yet to move forward with what they planned to do (invade Iraq and such).


I do feel like im playing somewhat devils advocate at this point. Im not certain either way.


There is plenty of sketchy stuff for either version.


The Pentagon damages look downright goofy for a plane at that size, perfectly landing in the first floor? I saw a video with many experts doubting its authenticity.

[ArbitraryWater]

They needed to up the ante to fast track the Patriot act and NSA. This wasn’t just about an excuse for war.

Good look.

Yea I can only assume there was more at stake here.

[90sgoat]

I thought it was well known that Bin Laden was a CIA asset that turned on his former benefactorers. Didn't he fight for the Mujahedin in the 80s against the Soviets?

I believe that the twin towers were hit by planes, but probably brought down by Mossad exposives.

[Bill Gates]

This is a hilarious brain dead straw man post. “I dont know how people did something so therefor it’s impossible!”


Pretty sure theres lots of problems you aren’t able to figure out and solve, doesn’t automatically make them impossible.

I never said impossible but no matter how you shake it would be beyond difficult. There were hundreds of people involved and lots of moving parts and events.

Brain dead would be putting on a tin foil hat and saying it was all staged without even taking into consideration what that implies.

[ArbitraryWater]

Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, 2 of the 19 hijackers, rented places from an FBI informant.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/06/u...i-resists.html

[ArbitraryWater]

https://odysee.com/@TheSearch4Truth:...120942306124:4


8 pretty interesting minutes

[jstern]

They needed to up the ante to fast track the Patriot act and NSA. This wasn’t just about an excuse for war.



This is a hilarious brain dead straw man post. “I dont know how people did something so therefor it’s impossible!”


Pretty sure theres lots of problems you aren’t able to figure out and solve, doesn’t automatically make them impossible.

I read his (somewhat low IQ) post and left, and that was precisely what I was thinking about his posts.

I was thinking of Off the Court and people who can't imagine how certain things were done, therefore it's impossible. And how they are able to completely dismiss significant things, simply because their feeble mind can't imagine things being done in any other way than how they imagine it should go.

At least he's now starting to buy that there are evil people who would kill thousands for whatever gain.

https://odysee.com/@TheSearch4Truth:...120942306124:4


8 pretty interesting minutes

The link is not working.

[ArbitraryWater]

I read his (somewhat low IQ) post and left, and that was precisely what I was thinking about his posts.

I was thinking of Off the Court and people who can't imagine how certain things were done, therefore it's impossible. And how they are able to completely dismiss significant things, simply because their feeble mind can't imagine things being done in any other way than how they imagine it should go.

At least he's now starting to buy that there are evil people who would kill thousands for whatever gain.



The link is not working.

It is for me but try googling "Tim Osman CIA Operative Truth", an Odyssey link shows up for me (ironically not when I add odyssey). Or just look it up on Odyssey.

[ArbitraryWater]

So is everyone who considers it legit or unsure buying the Building 7 explanation?

[ArbitraryWater]

So I stumbled upon something interesting...


I saw the 2001 post 9/11 video of Bin Laden speaking with Khaled al-Harbi and other associates and apparenty taking credit for 9/11, as the subtites woud have you beieve anyway.


Heres the entire thing:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?167830...aden-videotape


However:






The fact theyre just recording themselves having this conversation, and the tape is then found, whole thing is kinda fishy.

And why did they release this so quickly.


(none the less he took credit in 2004)