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InspiredLebowski 09-16-2011 12:14 AM

2011/12 Observation Deck
 
That time of year.

Start it off with 3 of St. John's 2nd in the nation ranked recruiting class being ruled academically ineligible. Jakarr Sampson, Amir Garrett, and Norvel Pelle will all miss at least the first 10 games of the year.

KG215 09-17-2011 02:09 AM

Re: 2011/12 Observation Deck
 
Meh, like the article says, they probably were going to be a long-shot NCAA Tournament team anyway. They would have had a pretty good collection of talent, but it was going to be VERY young and inexperienced talent. And it's not like all of their recruits coming in were top 10-15 five-stars ala Kentucky.

They should be there next year, and Lavin should have more depth and experience.

On a different note, this is the most excited I've been about a college basketball season in three years. Not just because UNC entered the season three years ago as national title favorites as they do this year but, for the first time in four years, there is a group of three or four teams that have the potential to be VERY good. And another group just behind them with the potential to be better than the last couple of national champions (UConn and Duke).

InspiredLebowski 09-17-2011 03:30 AM

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Sampson and Garrett both spent their senior years at "prep schools." This isn't anything 99% of the posters here don't know (diploma mills), but it's just kinda gross. Indiana's got their own with La Lumiere, Bowman, Culver, etc.

The US has their own Euro-style training academies, they just keep disguising them as actual schools.

InspiredLebowski 09-17-2011 11:25 AM

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ESPN says Pittsburgh and Syracuse have applied to join the ACC

InspiredLebowski 09-17-2011 04:22 PM

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Long time Providence coach and founding father of the Big East Dave Gavitt passed away today.

KG215 09-19-2011 03:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by InspiredLebowski
ESPN says Pittsburgh and Syracuse have applied to join the ACC


Wow, this just hit me from a completely different perspective. All along I have been seeing all of these conference re-alignment rumors and thinking of their impact on college football, only. Seeing you post this in the basketball college basketball forum, though, makes this particular change hit me a lot harder.

You're talking about adding two premiere basketball programs to mix it up with UNC and Duke. I like it from a basketball view-point and I'm pretty indifferent about it when it comes to football. Neither brings much to the table football wise (Pitt does on occasion) except two new big markets. I've heard UConn and Rutgers to the ACC if they expand to a 16 team super-conference, which would easily make the ACC the SEC of college basketball.

I figure the ACC will eventually add two more teams, too. The SEC has already essentially added Texas A&M and word has it West Virginia would be team #14 in the SEC. After that it seems like the two teams I'm hearing the most about joining the SEC as teams #15 and #16 are Missouri and Florida State.

InspiredLebowski 09-20-2011 02:48 AM

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Right, the ACC just became in effect unquestionably the best basketball conference in the nation. I know football's driving all this and for obvious reasons, but my first thought every time a move happens is about hoops because I really don't care all that much about NCAA football. I watch, it's enjoyable, but don't really care.

I'm sure Pitt and Cuse will and are catching a lot of flak for this, and I understand it from the lesser (meant in the most polite way possible) BE members, but I salute them for being proactive. You can't be left out in the cold. Well done by the ACC too. Remember how AWESOME the Big East tournament at the Garden is (was?)? The ACC just opened up that venue to their tourney, complete with UNC and Duke.

I don't want to predict who goes where now, but it really does seem inevitable to me that there's going to be 4 16 team super leagues sooner or later. I just know I want the Big Ten to add Kansas, Mizzou, Maryland, and Virginia. Virginia doesn't want to leave the ACC (and why would they) then I guess Rutgers would be OK. UVA'd give the B1G a monopoly on every major research institution in the Eastern half of the US, Ivy's not withstanding. That means nothing to most, but I'd be proud of it.

Weirdest part about all this? Villanova and Georgetown basketball are probably "mid-majors" by 2014.

ukfan22 09-20-2011 03:23 AM

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Nova, Marquette, Georgetown, St Johns, Depaul, Seton Hall and Providence are certainly in quite the pickle. Perhaps they could pick some from the A-10 to keep it a viable (and actually pretty decent) basketball conference. Something like:

Nova
Marquette
Georgetown
St Johns
Depaul
Seton Hall
Providence
Xavier
Temple
Dayton
UMass
St Josephs


That would be pretty solid. I've also read that basically the leftovers of the Big 12 and Big East would merge, but that makes little sense geographically.

InspiredLebowski 09-20-2011 07:27 AM

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Y'know that hypothetical A10 is a REALLY good hoops conference, and makes a lot of sense on the surface to me, without knowing what each school wants and all that in terms of sports besides hoops and football.

ukfan22 09-20-2011 07:43 AM

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Yeah, I have no idea if it's practical at all, but logically it makes a lot of sense.

InspiredLebowski 09-26-2011 12:36 PM

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Ohio State's heralded freshman wing LaQuinton Ross ruled an academic non-qualifier. There's questions about his transcripts, grades being inflated.

Non-qualifiers, if they stay at the school, lose a year of eligibility, can't get a scholarship for a year, and can't practice/play for a year. Apparently Ross plans to leave OSU for prep school and try and get his grades and scores in order. If he does he could be eligible for the second semester.

KG215 09-26-2011 12:41 PM

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Why are they just getting that figured out? It's nearly October. Is he going to have time to find a prep school and get his grades sorted out by second semester?

StateProperty 09-26-2011 01:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KG215
Why are they just getting that figured out? It's nearly October. Is he going to have time to find a prep school and get his grades sorted out by second semester?

I'm not sure why so late, but my stepbro just left for Ohio State as a freshman and freshmen there didn't even move in until Sept. 21st. Really late to start the year. Maybe that played a part.

StateProperty 09-26-2011 01:34 PM

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Rick Pitino wants Temple in the Big East:

Quote:

“Admit Temple immediately. They have a highly competitive football program with outstanding basketball tradition. They are a past BIG EAST member and an excellent school academically. And as all my friends say in Philadelphia, they are located in BIG EAST territory.”

InspiredLebowski 09-26-2011 05:31 PM

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With the Big East tourney leaving the Garden, the A10 tourney's moving to the new Barclay's Center in Brooklyn.


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