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guy 02-07-2012 02:29 PM

In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
Jordan played 41,010 mins and Kobe has played 41,102 mins, roughly same amount. Despite the fact that they've played about the same amount, Jordan has nearly 4,000 more points, 700 more rebounds, 400 more assists, 800 more steals, and 300 more blocks. Alot of people say that the main reason Kobe doesn't come anywhere near Jordan's stats despite playing just as much is cause of his reduced role coming out of HS and having to defer to Shaq. If thats the case, can someone explain why Kobe has 400 more turnovers then Jordan?

LA_Showtime 02-07-2012 02:33 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
Like you said, a lot of those numbers are lower because Kobe came out of high school, and because of Shaq. They're also lower because Jordan was the better player, although I'm going to assume you knew that. :oldlol:

Kobe has and never will be a natural play maker, and that's what, IMO, has caused him to never reach his full potential. He's had moments or stretches of games where he's found a happy medium, but more often than not he's either shot too much, passed too much, or got his feelings hurt and just played passively. Kobe's turnover's are a result of making a surprisingly high number of bad decisions for a player of his caliber, and obviously aren't helped by his finger injuries. Kobe also has never had a Scottie Pippen type of player to run the offense and get other guys involved.

rodman91 02-07-2012 03:02 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
This Jordan dude must be good.

pauk 02-07-2012 03:04 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
Ofcourse? Jordan was a much better talent...

TheFrozenOne 02-07-2012 03:53 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
different era's...and pace.

Look at Oscar's Stats and minutes compared to Jordan....or Wilt's

Jordan in the modern era would be a 42%fg putting up 25 - 30PPG in his prime/modern era.

just think that in the 80's there were over 30 players who scored over 24PPG on 50%FG......

it has only been done 5times in the past 12 years.

guy 02-07-2012 04:07 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LA_Showtime
Kobe also has never had a Scottie Pippen type of player to run the offense and get other guys involved.


Irrelevant in this case cause he would have more assists to go along with more turnovers.

Glide2keva 02-07-2012 04:08 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rodman91
This Jordan dude must be good.

A little bit.

He did suffer from Chronic "Good at basketball" Disease.

StacksOnDeck 02-07-2012 04:09 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
You feel insecure or something lol?

32Dayz 02-07-2012 04:15 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
Currently :
Jordan > JWest > Kobe

In the future :

Jordan > JWest > Wade > Kobe

:applause:

guy 02-07-2012 04:17 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StacksOnDeck
You feel insecure or something lol?


Nope. Someone just brought it up the other day and I thought it was an interesting observation due to many people's reasoning behind the huge difference in their stats so I thought I'd make a thread about it.

Scholar 02-07-2012 04:20 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 32Dayz
Currently :
Jordan > JWest > Kobe

In the future :

Jordan > JWest > Wade > Kobe

:applause:


I think Kobe cheated on Vanessa with your mom. That would make sense for why you're always trying to bag on the guy. :facepalm

Anyway, this isn't a surprise. Jordan was clearly the better player, as well as the guy who was given a starting spot immediately after being drafted. Kobe coming off the bench for the first couple seasons of his career didn't help him much.

Heavincent 02-07-2012 04:24 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 32Dayz
Currently :
Jordan > JWest > Kobe

In the future :

Jordan > JWest > Wade > Kobe

:applause:


You probably think Jacque Vaughn is better than Kobe too.

Your opinion is irrelevant.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy 02-07-2012 04:25 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
You're welcome Guy :D

swi7ch 02-07-2012 04:33 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
Also, Jordan has never quit on his team in the playoffs and finals unlike Kobe.

TheFrozenOne 02-07-2012 04:34 PM

Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swi7ch
Also, Jordan has never quit on his team in the playoffs and finals unlike Kobe.



Yes he did....in 87' 89' and 90'


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