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brwnman 07-14-2012 09:44 PM

Fields is a Raptor
 
:( ...

bokes15 07-14-2012 09:57 PM

Re: Fields is a Raptor
 
excuse me while I go tie a rock to my leg.:cry:

Dr.Funk 07-14-2012 10:50 PM

Re: Fields is a Raptor
 
This such a fail.

barkleynash 07-14-2012 10:50 PM

Re: Fields is a Raptor
 
Gotta think that spells the end for jj. They are too similar. At least kleiza can shoot the basketball.

Calderon and jj traded together.
Amir amnestied.

That's my call.

Lowry, ? Uzoh
Derozen, Ross
Fields, kleiza
Bargs, Davis, kleiza, acy
Val, gray

Davis needs major minutes, could be a nice 3post rotation with spot minutes from gray and kleiza, depending on matchups.

Zan Tabak 07-14-2012 11:05 PM

Re: Fields is a Raptor
 
:facepalm sigh...

Beebo 07-14-2012 11:54 PM

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kmart 07-15-2012 12:00 AM

Re: Fields is a Raptor
 
Welcome to mediocrity :(

oamjad13 07-15-2012 12:19 AM

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POTTER21 07-15-2012 01:35 AM

Re: Fields is a Raptor
 
I'm actually a huge fan of fields. Maybe not at 20 mil over 3 seasons but this guy can definitely help the team out. Obviously not a star or have a whole lot of potential but he is a solid defender, can hit the 3, and can rebound well for a 2/3. Don't understand why everyone is hating this signing.

Qwyjibo 07-15-2012 01:58 AM

Re: Fields is a Raptor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by POTTER21
I'm actually a huge fan of fields. Maybe not at 20 mil over 3 seasons but this guy can definitely help the team out. Obviously not a star or have a whole lot of potential but he is a solid defender, can hit the 3, and can rebound well for a 2/3. Don't understand why everyone is hating this signing.

If Fields "can hit the 3" then so can a ton of other players in the NBA. Fields is a 34% shooter from 3. Isn't the league average # around 34-35%? So that's not exactly a positive quality for him. Rebounding is more of a luxury from an SG. Nice to have but down the list when it comes to qualities you'd want from the position. It's like, I dunno, having a PF/C who can shoot jumpers but can't rebound worth a damn.

The reason why we don't like it is because he's a very replaceable player whose production you should be able to get at a fraction of the price. In fact, the Raptors did last year with James Johnson. Fields is just another backup wing player added to a glut of other backup-quality wing players (Derozan, Johnson, Kleiza). Ross is the one unknown but I personally don't see him with much of a talent ceiling either.

bluerap 07-15-2012 08:58 AM

Re: Fields is a Raptor
 
Everyone is so negative.
I feel bad for fields coming to this city.

We should at least give him a chance.
If he plays as well as he did his rookie year the first 2 years of the deal are fair value. The third year he is an expiring contract, so possibly an asset of a different kind.

bokes15 07-15-2012 09:02 AM

Re: Fields is a Raptor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwyjibo
If Fields "can hit the 3" then so can a ton of other players in the NBA. Fields is a 34% shooter from 3. Isn't the league average # around 34-35%? So that's not exactly a positive quality for him. Rebounding is more of a luxury from an SG. Nice to have but down the list when it comes to qualities you'd want from the position. It's like, I dunno, having a PF/C who can shoot jumpers but can't rebound worth a damn.

The reason why we don't like it is because he's a very replaceable player whose production you should be able to get at a fraction of the price. In fact, the Raptors did last year with James Johnson. Fields is just another backup wing player added to a glut of other backup-quality wing players (Derozan, Johnson, Kleiza). Ross is the one unknown but I personally don't see him with much of a talent ceiling either.

That's my biggest issue. We have a guy at the position who was producing just as much as Fields with a greater impact and being paid half the price. Age is not a significant factor, as Johnson is only a year older. So to me it comes down to, if we're gonna spend double the money on his replacement, it sure as hell better be an upgrade.

POTTER21 07-15-2012 10:12 AM

Re: Fields is a Raptor
 
I do agree there is some redundancy since James Johnson produces similar numbers but now we have 3 players (DD, Ross, Fields) that are capable of playing the 2/3. I think the more flexible the lineups the better. A luxury it may be for most teams to have a sg that can rebound but on a team that doesn't have any proven rebounders at the PF/C spot, its almost necessary. The raps didn't have one player avg more than 6 boards a game last year...

bluerap 07-15-2012 11:14 AM

Re: Fields is a Raptor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bokes15
That's my biggest issue. We have a guy at the position who was producing just as much as Fields with a greater impact and being paid half the price. Age is not a significant factor, as Johnson is only a year older. So to me it comes down to, if we're gonna spend double the money on his replacement, it sure as hell better be an upgrade.


I was a big fan of James Johnson last year.
The difference may be that Fields is willing to embrace the role.

Amazingly nobody knows what went down last year between jj and casey.

My suspicion is that JJ wasn't embracing the role Casey had for him (which he should have been grateful for, considering he couldn't get off the bench in chicago). I think if JJ was wiling to dedicate himself on the defensive end (that doesn't mean going for steals every time, which actually hurts the d) than he would be in a different position now. But NBA players often think they are better than they are and think that if they stuff their stats it will mean more $.

bokes15 07-15-2012 01:53 PM

Re: Fields is a Raptor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by POTTER21
I do agree there is some redundancy since James Johnson produces similar numbers but now we have 3 players (DD, Ross, Fields) that are capable of playing the 2/3. I think the more flexible the lineups the better. A luxury it may be for most teams to have a sg that can rebound but on a team that doesn't have any proven rebounders at the PF/C spot, its almost necessary. The raps didn't have one player avg more than 6 boards a game last year...

That's honestly not because we didn't have anyone capable. Amir and Ed Davis both averaged above 6 in a little over 20 minutes a game each. And then we're bringing in Val who although I fully admit has a lot to prove in the NBA appears to be a guy who has the tools to grab plenty of rebounds and play solid defense. He's a workhorse and he plays in the paint like a true bigman. And, as Q kind of alluded to having multiple G/F's who can rebound is a luxury but not a requirement. I'd rather pick up guys who are great at their individual position rather than multiple guys who can do slightly above average things required from other positions but are average at their own position. Like for example, between these 2 problems i'd rather have a Kendrick Perkins who offers a lot in terms of defense, toughness and rebounding and not much scoring, than a guy like Bargs who offers above average scoring for a Center but below average rebounding, defense, and shot blocking. But again, I know that's just my personal opinion.


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