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-p.tiddy- 11-01-2012 11:08 AM

QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
I've only seen him play twice this year...don't know too much about him, looks like he is also a TE or started as one before playing QB

height: 6'5" (perfect)
weight: 226 lbs

so my first thought is that I guess he is like Tebow, where he is a great runner but a horrible passer...but the numbers suggest that is WRONG

right now Klein is 117 for 165...a comp% of 70.9%...which is amazing

to put that into perspective, Andrew Luck had a 71.3% comp% last year...they are about the exact same...


so why is this guy no where to be found on mocks?...why on college QB prospect lists is he found near the bottom?

great height/size
looks like he is a very accurate thrower
he can RUN TOO!

I am not seeing the flaws here...

Carbine 11-01-2012 11:39 AM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
8 games and 165 total passes...... they rely very little on his ability to throw the ball.....he plays in an offense that is hard to evaluate just how good a QB prospect he is, makes very few throws from within the pocket on a 5 step, 7 step drop.

He's a developmental NFL QB prospect if he even stays there.

knickballer 11-01-2012 12:46 PM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
He's basically the prototypical athletic college QB who's just not a NFL QB. How many times have we've seen this before?? But that being said I'm sure he'll make his way onto a NFL roster and I'm sure a team will find use of his abilities in a wildcat/gadget type of formation and possibly convert him to a different position.

kentatm 11-01-2012 02:21 PM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
:wtf: Prime...

do you even watch football or do you just follow the stats through fantasy sites?

-p.tiddy- 11-01-2012 02:27 PM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kentatm
:wtf: Prime...

do you even watch football or do you just follow the stats through fantasy sites?

did you even read the first sentence of the OP?

fantasy?...huh?

KingBeasley08 11-01-2012 02:51 PM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
not really sure how his game translates to the NFL tbh. he can run but his passing ability (not stats cuz tebow had legendary passing stats as well) is kinda week

-p.tiddy- 11-01-2012 02:57 PM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KingBeasley08
not really sure how his game translates to the NFL tbh. he can run but his passing ability (not stats cuz tebow had legendary passing stats as well) is kinda week

he has better numbers than Tebow but shit Tebow was still a legit NFL prospect and even taken first round...granted he shouldn't have been drafted that high, but still...

KG215 11-01-2012 04:04 PM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
Luck had nearly 80 more pass attempts 8 games into his last season at Stanford. He averaged 30.3 pass attempts per game compared to 20.6 pass attempts per game for Klein this year. Don't get me wrong, the 70% completion rate is impressive, but trying to pass his 70% off as being equal to Luck's is just silly.

And I'm not even implying Klein's comp% would take a big hit if he started attempting 10 more passes a game, but it's not really the same thing. He's a great college QB, but I'm not sure he's an NFL QB.

-p.tiddy- 11-01-2012 04:12 PM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KG215
Luck had nearly 80 more pass attempts 8 games into his last season at Stanford. He averaged 30.3 pass attempts per game compared to 20.6 pass attempts per game for Klein this year. Don't get me wrong, the 70% completion rate is impressive, but trying to pass his 70% off as being equal to Luck's is just silly.

And I'm not even implying Klein's comp% would take a big hit if he started attempting 10 more passes a game, but it's not really the same thing. He's a great college QB, but I'm not sure he's an NFL QB.

so he isn't a good prospect because he can't throw well?

:confusedshrug:

JMT 11-02-2012 11:10 AM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -p.tiddy-
he has better numbers than Tebow but shit Tebow was still a legit NFL prospect and even taken first round...granted he shouldn't have been drafted that high, but still...


Tebow's college passing stats dwarf Kleins. Guy has thrown 465 college passes, completing 62%, 26 TD 8 INT

Tebow completed almost 200 more than Klein has attempted, 66%, 88 TD 16 INT

I'm sure the small sample size, wierd throwing motion and specialty offense has NFL guys spooked.

It's a QB starved league and he'll certainly get a shot. Hell, they're willing to pretend Jake Locker is an NFL QB. But I would expect the Tebow experiment has them a bit gun shy.

-p.tiddy- 11-02-2012 11:27 AM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JMT
Tebow's college passing stats dwarf Kleins. Guy has thrown 465 college passes, completing 62%, 26 TD 8 INT

Tebow completed almost 200 more than Klein has attempted, 66%, 88 TD 16 INT

I'm sure the small sample size, wierd throwing motion and specialty offense has NFL guys spooked.

It's a QB starved league and he'll certainly get a shot. Hell, they're willing to pretend Jake Locker is an NFL QB. But I would expect the Tebow experiment has them a bit gun shy.

you're comparing entire years of Tebow to a half season of Klein...Klien's comp% is higher, and his current passer rating is higher than Tebow's ever was

irondarts 11-02-2012 12:06 PM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -p.tiddy-
you're comparing entire years of Tebow to a half season of Klein...Klien's comp% is higher, and his current passer rating is higher than Tebow's ever was

No, those are Collin Kleins career passing numbers:

200-465, 62.4 %, 26 TD's, 8 INT's.

Those are his numbers for his whole career, not half of a season.

-p.tiddy- 11-02-2012 01:06 PM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by irondarts
No, those are Collin Kleins career passing numbers:

200-465, 62.4 %, 26 TD's, 8 INT's.

Those are his numbers for his whole career, not half of a season.

okay, it is still comparing a small amount of playing time to a large amount...

IMO the only numbers that should really be looked at are this year's

Carbine 11-02-2012 05:16 PM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
Where do you think he deserves to be drafted?

-p.tiddy- 11-02-2012 05:32 PM

Re: QB Collin Klein, why no NFL hype?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carbine
Where do you think he deserves to be drafted?

I have no idea...

but from what I have been reading it will be LATE LATE LATE

that is why I made this thread, it is rare I think to have a Heisman winner being damn near passed up in the draft...



here is Walter's top QB prospect list:

http://walterfootball.com/draft2013QB.php

Klien at #15...list his arm strength and mechanics as the problem, and state will likely never be an NFL starter


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