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MavsSuperFan 11-16-2012 09:32 PM

Israel's Iron Dome in action
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kAyq...ature=youtu.be

basically intercepting rockets


(Inaccurate junk removed)

Hazard 11-16-2012 09:36 PM

Re: Israel's Iron Dome in action
 
Those numbers are way off. Next time just post the video without any introduction/opinion if you're unwilling to do research.

miller-time 11-16-2012 09:49 PM

Re: Israel's Iron Dome in action
 
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Originally Posted by MavsSuperFan
Must be surreal to live like that. Still better than being Palestinian, they are defenseless. Something like 13 Isrealis have died and Israel responds by killing 1400.


so why are they still going at them? canada could have beef with america, but it would obviously be a fools errand to try and attack them. i'm not saying there aren't reasons, but obviously the odds are stacked in a way that does not favor one side to the extent that it makes attacking them almost the same as just attacking yourself.

Derka 11-16-2012 09:53 PM

Re: Israel's Iron Dome in action
 
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Originally Posted by MavsSuperFan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kAyq...ature=youtu.be

basically intercepting rockets

Must be surreal to live like that. Still better than being Palestinian, they are defenseless. Something like 13 Isrealis have died and Israel responds by killing 1400.


When someone is defenseless, they shouldn't go stepping on people's toes and then crying to the international community about the intense bloody nose that results.

War stops being about rules and fair fights when your enemy doesn't wear a uniform and sends brainwashed zealots into pizza parlors with ball-bearing laced C4 strapped to their chests.

MavsSuperFan 11-16-2012 10:11 PM

Re: Israel's Iron Dome in action
 
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Originally Posted by Hazard
Those numbers are way off. Next time just post the video without any introduction/opinion if you're unwilling to do research.


I confused the numbers with Isreal's 22 day campaign

Quote:

That clash proved traumatic for both sides, killing more than 1,200 Palestinians in 22 days and triggering a U.N. inquiry that accused Israel of war crimes and intentionally targeting civilians.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,3755109.story

My bad

MavsSuperFan 11-16-2012 10:14 PM

Re: Israel's Iron Dome in action
 
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Originally Posted by Derka
When someone is defenseless, they shouldn't go stepping on people's toes and then crying to the international community about the intense bloody nose that results.

War stops being about rules and fair fights when your enemy doesn't wear a uniform and sends brainwashed zealots into pizza parlors with ball-bearing laced C4 strapped to their chests.


I am not at all in support of launching rockets into Israel. Dont get me wrong. I still blame most of the current situation on Israel for 2 reasons.

1 Blocking Palestinian statehood in the UN

2. Building of settlements on disputed land.

I feel like Israel's right-wing government doesnt want a 2 state solution based on the 1967 boarders (with appropriate land swaps where demographically logical) and would rather antagonize Palestine into a military conflict, where they have the overwhelming advantage.

MavsSuperFan 11-16-2012 10:32 PM

Re: Israel's Iron Dome in action
 
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Originally Posted by miller-time
so why are they still going at them? canada could have beef with america, but it would obviously be a fools errand to try and attack them. i'm not saying there aren't reasons, but obviously the odds are stacked in a way that does not favor one side to the extent that it makes attacking them almost the same as just attacking yourself.


At some point you have to fight, even if you think your going to lose. If Brock Lesnar/ Mike Tyson/ etc assualted my mother I would fight him, knowing I would get my ass handed to me.

miller-time 11-16-2012 10:41 PM

Re: Israel's Iron Dome in action
 
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Originally Posted by MavsSuperFan
At some point you have to fight, even if you think your going to lose. If Brock Lesnar/ Mike Tyson/ etc assualted my mother I would fight him, knowing I would get my ass handed to me.


But it isn't a long term decision and it isn't costing you your life, your families life, and the future of your people.

Jello 11-16-2012 10:45 PM

Re: Israel's Iron Dome in action
 
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Originally Posted by MavsSuperFan
I am not at all in support of launching rockets into Israel. Dont get me wrong. I still blame most of the current situation on Israel for 2 reasons.

1 Blocking Palestinian statehood in the UN

2. Building of settlements on disputed land.

I feel like Israel's right-wing government doesnt want a 2 state solution based on the 1967 boarders (with appropriate land swaps where demographically logical) and would rather antagonize Palestine into a military conflict, where they have the overwhelming advantage.

Yes, the radical fanatics will stop seeking the destruction of Israel once they make those concessions. You are delusional.

insidehoops 11-16-2012 10:57 PM

Re: Israel's Iron Dome in action
 
The radical fanatic nutcases who lead Gaza refuse to accept Israel's very existence as a country and spend their time gathering weapons to keep trying to fight Israel

The radical fanatic nutcases know Israel is much stronger than they are, but because they are insane, they keep messing with Israel anyway

Israel is stronger, so Israel wins the exchanges

And then the radical fanatic nutcases complain about how unfair it is to be the underdog and how bad it is that they're not able to destroy Israel

Meticode 11-16-2012 11:01 PM

Re: Israel's Iron Dome in action
 
Doesn't iron rust really bad?

Meticode 11-16-2012 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by insidehoops
The radical fanatic nutcases who lead Gaza refuse to accept Israel's very existence as a country and spend their time gathering weapons to keep trying to fight Israel

The radical fanatic nutcases know Israel is much stronger than they are, but because they are insane, they keep messing with Israel anyway

Israel is stronger, so Israel wins the exchanges

And then the radical fanatic nutcases complain about how unfair it is to be the underdog and how bad it is that they're not able to destroy Israel

So what are you doing about it?

miller-time 11-16-2012 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Meticode
So what are you doing about it?


dissecting problems doesn't mean you have solutions to them.

insidehoops 11-16-2012 11:07 PM

Re: Israel's Iron Dome in action
 
I don't think there can be a solution until the radical fanatic nutcases accept that they will never destroy Israel, and have to make peace with Israel.

Once they do that, and actually want peace with Israel, Israel will be able to do it, just like Israel made peace with Egypt when Egypt wanted it, just like Israel made peace with Jordan when Jordan wanted it.

yobore 11-16-2012 11:34 PM

Re: Israel's Iron Dome in action
 
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Originally Posted by insidehoops
I don't think there can be a solution until the radical fanatic nutcases accept that they will never destroy Israel, and have to make peace with Israel.

Once they do that, and actually want peace with Israel, Israel will be able to do it, just like Israel made peace with Egypt when Egypt wanted it, just like Israel made peace with Jordan when Jordan wanted it.

First of all I think Israel is right to destroy all Hamas's rocket launching capabilities and I think their current operation is painful but necessary. That said, Hamas is popular for a reason. The argument about the Palestinians never wanting peace is to some degree self-prophecy.

There is, though certainly not angels themselves, somewhat of a willing partner in the West Bank, who keeps getting emasculated by Likud. Abbas has kept the West Bank relatively calm through a couple flareups, but there is absolutely nothing to show the Palestinian people for it. "They should stop fighting rockets first," while true, is in effect what has happened in the West Bank and during that time the settlers continue to sprawl, all Abbas has to show for moderation is advancing Israeli settlements.

Israel has to consider Gaza and West Bank completely separate. Even if Abbas gives rhetoric about unified Palestine (he has to because his overtures to Israel that don't result in anything make him very weak), make it very very clear they are willing to make deals on issues regarding the West Bank. Be VERY generous to the West Bank as long as they aren't firing rockets FROM THE WEST BANK. That means stop the flow of settlers and remove the blatantly illegal ones. Try to do whatever you can to develop them economically through their government. The key is to show that not firing rockets will actually give you something. This will make the more moderate Palestinians popular. Right now they just look like sellouts to their people. Imagine you're a Gazan who feels extremely wronged, and you see the West Bank and Fatah stopping armed resistance just encourages Israeli settlers to expand. Obviously launching rockets is not rational for the Palestinians but if Israel won't stand up to the land grabbers and show peace is worth it, it encourage irrationality.


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