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Glove_20 07-20-2006 05:19 PM

Gary Payton vs. Jason Kidd
 
Who was the better player in their primes?


I'd say Payton...


He is a better scorer and a better defender

2 of the most (if not the most) important categories in basketball...


And Jason Kidd is known for having very low FG%s...Low 40s to High 30s...

Heretik32 07-20-2006 05:21 PM

Who IS the better player?

Kidd, and you're a fool for even asking.

Better player in his prime? Really depends on the team around them. You got a second star, I'd go with Payton. You got some good, but not spectacular players? Give them Kidd and watch them get better.

ZHAKIDD532 07-20-2006 05:22 PM

of course you'd think GP is better, but JKIDD is better...

Way better passer, on par defender, so they are both pretty much on par with each other but JKIDD is a little better

Glove_20 07-20-2006 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heretik32
Who IS the better player?

Kidd, and you're a fool for even asking.

Better player in his prime? Really depends on the team around them. You got a second star, I'd go with Payton. You got some good, but not spectacular players? Give them Kidd and watch them get better.


I was talking about their primes...

Heretik32 07-20-2006 05:26 PM

Yes, you are now, after your edit ;)

Glove_20 07-20-2006 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZHAKIDD532
of course you'd think GP is better, but JKIDD is better...

Way better passer, on par defender, so they are both pretty much on par with each other but JKIDD is a little better


I'll give Kidd passing and rebounding...

But Payton could do those 2 very well too...

He has had many years of 8+apg and 7+apg...

And he was an above average rebounder for a PG...



At the same time...

Payton was a better defender...

And a MUCH better scorer...



I know Kidd is good...

But Payton was just a little better...

Kidd had a huge weakness...His low FG%s...

That should give Payton the edge...

Glove_20 07-20-2006 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heretik32
Yes, you are now, after your edit ;)



Sorry, I thought it would be self explanatory...

GothamKnight 07-20-2006 05:32 PM

tough one, but i give Kidd the slight edge

Glove_20 07-20-2006 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GothamKnight
tough one, but i give Kidd the slight edge


Why?

Kidd was a better passer and rebounder


But Payton could do both those very well...He was above average on both those categories...


At the same time, Payton was a better rebounder...

And a was a MUCH better scorer...


Kidd also had horrible FG%...And that always HURT his team...

theinfamousmobb 07-20-2006 05:36 PM

IN prime I would pick GP, better defender, better scorer/shooter, almost as good passer, but if its right now its obviously Kidd.

Glove_20 07-20-2006 05:43 PM

Of course right now it is Kidd...

GothamKnight 07-20-2006 05:48 PM

Kidd's court vision is A LOT better than Payton's. just because Payton got a certain amount of assists doesnt mean you can compare him that way.

Glove_20 07-20-2006 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GothamKnight
Kidd's court vision is A LOT better than Payton's. just because Payton got a certain amount of assists doesnt mean you can compare him that way.


And what else does "court vision" help you get besides some assists?


Points?
Rebounds?

We have already covered all that...


I know Kidd was good, very good...

But he wasn't on Payton's level...


Payton was a far better scorer and was a better defender...

Glove_20 07-20-2006 06:01 PM

And Gary Payton had no weaknesses to his game...

He is the only PG in NBA History to not have any weakness to his game

Glove_20 07-20-2006 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jobica
Besides Terry Porter maybe!

Porter wasn't a good defender...


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