Hoops Hype top 79 Greatest Players in NBA History list.

[RRR3]

I have Kobe, Duncan, Dirk and KG over "Shaq". Kobe is clearly the second best SG of all-time while Shaq is borderline top ten C. Shaq was a flop in the great center era he got swept more than any other great never averaged 30 PPG in a regular season and was a cancer to multiple teammates, coaches, and organizations. Shaq is a celebrity who made a lot of money on an image but as a player he definitely does not belong in a top ten and he's not in my top twenty.

And for me...it's Bird/Kareem/Magic at 4-5-6

Sharp as a bowling ball as usual.

[John8204]

Sharp as a bowling ball as usual.

And you choose to ignore everything I said in between...that is fact based and gets you buster browns in a not over my opinion. I'd rip you for your opinions but I don't know what they are nor do I care.

[Phoenix]

And you choose to ignore everything I said in between...that is fact based and gets you buster browns in a not over my opinion. I'd rip you for your opinions but I don't know what they are nor do I care.

Hi, its me again. Here to call you out on your anti-Shaq bullshit.

The problem isn't with your 'facts', it's the extreme conclusions. Nobody ignores your talking points, they're just hyper-critical and double standards in some cases. Those critiques you use against Shaq are legit criticisms for why he wouldn't be a viable GOAT candidate, not going to the ridiculous extremes of saying he's not even a top 20 player. You could nitpick any number of players for losing in situations they shouldn't have, being swept, not reaching some arbitrary number, or weren't great teammates/coachable. I could just as easily use your 'facts' to say that Hakeem never averaged 30 in a season, was a malcontent at one point until he committed to Islam, and had 5 first round exits in the 80s. At least when Shaq was getting swept, in 94 Indiana went to the ECFs, in 95 in the finals to Houston, in 96 to a GOAT level Bulls team, in 98 to a Utah team that made it to game 6 of the finals, and in 99 to a Spurs team that won the whole thing. Hakeem got bounced in the first round on 2 occasions to teams who didn't even make the conference finals that year, in 88 to Seattle,in 90 to the Lakers, both gentleman sweeps by the way. Oh, and as defending champion in 96 got swept out of the playoffs by the Sonics averaging 18ppg/10rpg on 52% TS( season average that year was 27ppg/11rpg on 56% TS, in case you were wondering about the drop-off). Game 1 he scored 6 points on 3/9 shooting, grabbed 4 rebounds and 1 block.

I could use as easily say Hakeem doesn't deserve to be top 15 and use the same 'I have a right to my opinion 'schtick' that you do ( I'm a Hakeem fan for the record, but I'm making a point). And it would be just as dumb and extreme an opinion, taking into account the totality of his career, and equally deserving of being called out on it.

[RRR3]

Hi, its me again. Here to call you out on your anti-Shaq bullshit.

The problem isn't with your 'facts', it's the extreme conclusions. Nobody ignores your talking points, they're just hyper-critical and double standards in some cases. Those critiques you use against Shaq are legit criticisms for why he wouldn't be a viable GOAT candidate, not going to the ridiculous extremes of saying he's not even a top 20 player. You could nitpick any number of players for losing in situations they shouldn't have, being swept, not reaching some arbitrary number, or weren't great teammates/coachable. I could just as easily use your 'facts' to say that Hakeem never averaged 30 in a season, was a malcontent at one point until he committed to Islam, and had 5 first round exits in the 80s. At least when Shaq was getting swept, in 94 Indiana went to the ECFs, in 95 in the finals to Houston, in 96 to a GOAT level Bulls team, in 98 to a Utah team that made it to game 6 of the finals, and in 99 to a Spurs team that won the whole thing. Hakeem got bounced in the first round on 2 occasions to teams who didn't even make the conference finals that year, in 88 to Seattle,in 90 to the Lakers, both gentleman sweeps by the way. Oh, and as defending champion in 96 got swept out of the playoffs by the Sonics averaging 18ppg/10rpg on 52% TS( season average that year was 27ppg/11rpg on 56% TS, in case you were wondering about the drop-off). Game 1 he scored 6 points on 3/9 shooting, grabbed 4 rebounds and 1 block.

I could use as easily say Hakeem doesn't deserve to be top 15 and use the same 'I have a right to my opinion 'schtick' that you do ( I'm a Hakeem fan for the record, but I'm making a point). And it would be just as dumb and extreme an opinion, taking into account the totality of his career, and equally deserving of being called out on it.

Every poster who bothers to reply to him has told him he's essentially trolling about Shaq but sure it's just me

[Manny98]

I see LeBron at 1, automatically a good list

[Lebron23]

Jordan never beat any great team in the NBA finals. His competition is garbage. His record against super teams in the playoffs 0-6 vs Larry Bird. 1-3 vs Badboys Pistons.

[Full Court]

Jordan never beat any great team in the NBA finals. His competition is garbage. His record against super teams in the playoffs 0-6 vs Larry Bird. 1-3 vs Badboys Pistons.

You sound like an insecure little midget.

[Lebron23]

You sound like an insecure little midget.

You sound like an idiot. Jordan's competition is garbage just like your posting in this forum.

[Full Court]

You sound like an idiot. Jordan's competition is garbage just like your posting in this forum.

Did you know that Lebron has the most choke jobs of ALL TIME? And that nobody else comes close?

Keep crying, loser.

[1987_Lakers]

You sound like an idiot. Jordan's competition is garbage just like your posting in this forum.

[Full Court]

You're one of those low IQ posters who's in denial about Lebron's myriad of choke jobs too, aren't you.

[Axe]

So it looks like wilt isn't top 3 all-time at all.

You sound like an idiot. Jordan's competition is garbage just like your posting in this forum.

[Full Court]

The main things that cause stinky boy to throw a bitch fit:

#1 Criticism of LeShrivel

#2 Mention of Jordan

#3 FULL COURT

What a bitch tit-bearing loser.

[sdot_thadon]

That would actually be Reggie Miller.
He's listed at number 54 greatest player of All-Time.
That basically means they think he was top 25 player, 25 year. They have him ranked higher than over half of the original NBA at 50 players list lol.
I'm sure in the next ten years he'll be entertaining the top 40 All-Time list. Congratulations on moving up without even playing lol.

Being a TV presence has done wonders for him post career, I feel like it hurt Barkley and to a lesser degree Shaq. Moses Malone moved all the way out of the top 10 from my teen years to my 20s Dr.J and Oscar Roberston both have sank not only out of the top 10 but beyond the 20s for some lists which is insane.

[Baller234]

The reason Reggie is so fondly remembered, aside from all the heroics, is because he was so rare in his day. Most of the star players from that era had comps. Reggie was a real 1 of 1 during his day and a real X factor.

That combined with his fearlessness and clutch heroics put him over the top in a lot of people's minds. It's not like those Pacers teams were super stacked yet they were always competitive and in the mix. I remember Bill Simmons saying that even if Reggie wasn't the best player on the court, he always carried himself like the best player. I thought that was a great assessment. Reggie always made his presence felt.