When do titles start counting towards a players legacy?

[guy]

Kareem has championships where he averaged 18/8, 22/7, and 13/4. He was way more of a collective and wasn’t the best player for nearly as much of the time during those runs than Jordan was for his.

[Phoenix]

Kareem has 2 titles as an MVP level player, 71 and 80. Over the course of the 80s it becomes less and less about him and more about the overall talent level of that Lakers team, especially from 85 onwards. Even if you look at MVP voting, 81 is the last year that he was getting more votes than Magic. Magic was basically a top 3 candidate from 83 to 91, winning three times along the way.

[ShawkFactory]

It prevented them from doing anything for quite a few years. Losing Bosh for nothing is a big set back.

East was historically weak and the decision further weakened it.

You cannot disprove this statement.

The east was not historically weak in 2009 and 2010.

But let’s just say that it was…The Raptors didn’t make the playoffs in said historically weak conference either year

[hateraid]

Titles matter the most when validating Jordan to any other player

[marLeY baLL]

hu$tle + gat

[Full Court]

Titles matter the most when validating Jordan to any other player

Titles only don't matter to Bronie fluffers.

[marLeY baLL]

55

[warriorfan]

Titles matter the most when validating Jordan to any other player

forgot to post this on your 97 bulls account homie

[bullettooth]

I’d say around 2012. Titles won after that seem legit.

We moving the goalposts again?

[Gudo]

We know fully well that if lebron only had more rings then we would hear lebron his stans talk about how important it is, nonstop.

[kawhileonard2]

2019 because the pandemic started then and the 90's before stuff started being made in China.

[Axe]

If you don't value team work at all.

Titles matter the most when validating Jordan to any other player

[Full Court]

Axe: Biggest. Loser. On. ISH.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...-Final-Bracket



And stinky too.

[3ba11]

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2014 - record loss

2015 - Iverson Wesbricking predictably loses to 1st-timer +2800 preseason roster

2017 - record loss despite a 29 ppg sidekick that was better on the Finals level than KD's sidekick

2018 - record loss due to choke in Game 1, and then bron-ball reducing Love to role player

2019 - 1st season out of manufactured East = lottery with Ingram, Zubac, Caruso, Kuzma, Rondo, KCP & more

2020 - AD becomes 1st guy ever to lift a lottery team to champion in 1 year - he did this by being scoring leader & defense carrier

Correct. And titles won after say 2020 or so mean less too because of the state of the league.

So it’s really that 9 year span that means the most.

Wow, then he had a horrible career of catastrophic, historic losing, and then AD saves him at the end to give him a 2nd option ring, after the 2 bailouts and win over babies in AAU season.

The 9 years began with oddsmakers hating Lebron, due to his record 3 straight upset losses in the 09-11' Playoffs, so they made his veteran super-team an underdog to baby Westbrick..

Accordingly, history shows that Lebron's "bron-ball" AAU skillset turned a "not 6, not 7" favorite into an underdog to baby Westbrick and the shakiest 2/4 in history, i.e. the goat choke and record loss book-end a teammate bailout and win over babies.