when are we getting our billions back from the welfare whores in ukraine and israel?

[Baller234]

IF it's so secretive, how do we know about it?

Because of Israeli intelligence.

[Baller234]

Who cares? Worry about America. You're literally only saying this because the media and zionists are obsessed with that sh!t country Israel that puts the entire world at risk.

Hey dipshit, if Iran becomes a nuclear power, that's not good for America.

This fukking idiot actually said "who cares".

[diamenz]

Disarm them? Lol, those countries already have nukes pal. It's a little too late for that.

yeah that was mindless of me to say that.

If it weren't for Israel, Iran wouldn't be disarmed right now.

surely you're skeptical or at the least willing to entertain the possibility that task wasn't executed on behalf of our safety or for the 'greater good of the world' but instead carried out on behalf of israel's interests; due to lately what seems to be a limitless influence on our government.

iran is a threat to israel and israel alone - iran's advocation of the palestinian cause in particular. the houthis, hezbollah, hamas - all of the terrorist organizations that they fund all exist because of the gaza occupation. so they're not just a military threat but an ideological one. per usual israel leveraged us for action and because our government is comprised, we obliged.

but us? they pose zero threat to us. if we hadn't been meddling in ME affairs for decades, we would be on neutral terms with iran and doing business with them, similar to how russia would be doing business with us if we weren't meddling in their affairs.

speaking of which, trump has been a great disappointment in that regard. that war should be coming to a slow crawl by now if trump were doing what he campaigned on.

[diamenz]

Because the world is a poker table and we want to remain the big stack?

Why would you as an american be in favor of something that would hurt our standing as superpower?

because we thrive as a commercial superpower, not an imperial one. always have. peace abroad, prosperity at home. who are we to tell other countries how to live? "if you're not a liberal democracy like us, you're the enemy" is what we convey to the world. look no further than our failed "containment" of russia and the mess that's left us in.

in addition to that, this isn't a unipolar world anymore and we can't seem to want to accept that fact. we think we run the show and can bully everyone else without consequence. we're pushing russia into the arms of our peer competitor superpower in china and the dollar is losing it's standing as the world's reserve currency. there's not very much to be optimistic about in terms of our standing on the world stage.

[HoopsNY]

Hey dipshit, if Iran becomes a nuclear power, that's not good for America.

This fukking idiot actually said "who cares".

Yes, because we've been hearing for 30 years that they're days away from a nuke. The agreement in 2013 was to scrap uranium enrichment once sanctions and their money was lifted. Trump squashed that deal so what did you think was the natural outcome?

And all of this is because Israel ACTUALLY has nukes. So where does this leave everyone? And honestly, who gives a shit. Let them blow each other up, why the hell do we care? We can't take care of the entire world.

But for some reason we feel the need to bleed our own tax dollars into worldwide conflicts all for the sake of Israel. Iraq war ring a bell? NATO and Libya ring a bell? I'm tired of this garbage and you should be too.

[TeflonDonTrump]

Because the world is a poker table and we want to remain the big stack?

Why would you as an american be in favor of something that would hurt our standing as superpower?

There's absolutely no reason for us to be some police force for the world.

The problem with the US is they always accuses other countries of atrocities but overlook their own. Who's to say your "democracy" is a better form of government over others. Don't use the guise of "democracy" to invade other countries. There's no reason for that.

[highwhey]

the elite benefit from this country being the world's police, not only through military channels but domestically through law enforcement. you think trump gives a flying fck about illegals? no, it's just a scam to syphon money into his friend's pockets that will later end up in his pocket. saw a 1 billion dollar contract was awarded to some small company with little experience to build a new deportee prison. no facility requires 1 billion dollars, unless there's payoffs behind the curtains. that's ONE BILLION to build a prison. to staff it and maintain it is an entirely separate process and likely extremely expensive. extremely bloated contracts to build a facility, and more bloated contracts to staff it. gee, i wonder which of his donors are getting those contracts...would LOVE to see an independent audit report on all of those expenditures extending into the contractors involved. Afterall, any federal contract requires certified payroll reports....

[diamenz]

[Baller234]

There's absolutely no reason for us to be some police force for the world.

The problem with the US is they always accuses other countries of atrocities but overlook their own. Who's to say your "democracy" is a better form of government over others. Don't use the guise of "democracy" to invade other countries. There's no reason for that.

Huh? Other countries literally rely on us for protection.

Being the leader of the free world comes with obligations and responsibilities. In this case we have an obligation to maintain order and ensure our position on top. You should be grateful we even have the authority and leverage to police the world, because if we didn't then someone else would be doing it. All these other countries want what we have. They all want to dictate the terms and if given the opportunity, all of them would take it. The world is a poker game, not a PTA meeting. You should be rooting for the west to win at all costs.

I just don't understand the hate for Israel. I feel like a lot of it echoes the hate for America. "Zionist" is really just another way of saying "colonizer".

[Baller234]

Yes, because we've been hearing for 30 years that they're days away from a nuke. The agreement in 2013 was to scrap uranium enrichment once sanctions and their money was lifted. Trump squashed that deal so what did you think was the natural outcome?

And all of this is because Israel ACTUALLY has nukes. So where does this leave everyone? And honestly, who gives a shit. Let them blow each other up, why the hell do we care? We can't take care of the entire world.

But for some reason we feel the need to bleed our own tax dollars into worldwide conflicts all for the sake of Israel. Iraq war ring a bell? NATO and Libya ring a bell? I'm tired of this garbage and you should be too.

Uhh...

Because one of them is an invaluable ally and shares our values, and the other one is ruled by radical islamists???

Are you fukking stupid???

[Baller234]

because we thrive as a commercial superpower, not an imperial one. always have. peace abroad, prosperity at home. who are we to tell other countries how to live? "if you're not a liberal democracy like us, you're the enemy" is what we convey to the world. look no further than our failed "containment" of russia and the mess that's left us in.

in addition to that, this isn't a unipolar world anymore and we can't seem to want to accept that fact. we think we run the show and can bully everyone else without consequence. we're pushing russia into the arms of our peer competitor superpower in china and the dollar is losing it's standing as the world's reserve currency. there's not very much to be optimistic about in terms of our standing on the world stage.

Lmao.

You think the U.S. would be in the position it's in if it weren't for the might of it's military?

[diamenz]

Lmao.

You think the U.S. would be in the position it's in if it weren't for the might of it's military?

lmao.

you think we can't thrive on the old adage of peace through strength? just to reiterate, i denounced our imperial tendencies.

...so what you're saying is that this "position" that you say we're in was achieved by our foreign interventions? now that's interesting.

[diamenz]

Uhh...

Because one of them is an invaluable ally and shares our values, and the other one is ruled by radical islamists???

Are you fukking stupid???

when two allied countries share similar interests there's generally no controversy over it. it's when the smaller country, in this case israel, leverages the larger power to act against their interests is when things get dicey.

as is the case currently in our relationship with israel. I find it funny how you seem to have no issues with how manipulated and bought our government is by this supposed ally of ours.

[TeflonDonTrump]

Huh? Other countries literally rely on us for protection.

Being the leader of the free world comes with obligations and responsibilities. In this case we have an obligation to maintain order and ensure our position on top. You should be grateful we even have the authority and leverage to police the world, because if we didn't then someone else would be doing it. All these other countries want what we have. They all want to dictate the terms and if given the opportunity, all of them would take it. The world is a poker game, not a PTA meeting. You should be rooting for the west to win at all costs.

I just don't understand the hate for Israel. I feel like a lot of it echoes the hate for America. "Zionist" is really just another way of saying "colonizer".

We really need to stay out of it. Let the other countries deal with their own problems. Its not our decision to dictate what other countries need. We can always bolster our military, but not for the sake of others.

[Baller234]

We really need to stay out of it. Let the other countries deal with their own problems. Its not our decision to dictate what other countries need. We can always bolster our military, but not for the sake of others.

Uh, yes it is. That is the privilege of being on top. That is what comes with being the big stack at the poker table.

You think we're the only country that doesn't want Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon? You think China wants that? Or Russia? Lol. Nobody benefits from more countries entering the chat when it comes to having nukes. That is what keeps the strong in power.

There's no argument you could possibly make where Iran becoming a nuclear power is in OUR best interest.