AllHipHop.com: Let’s shift gears and talk about The Wu. A common theme in a lot of Wu-Tang interviews is that The Clan lacks focus. It seems that every individual member of the group is frustrated to a certain degree about a lack of unity. Why is that?
RZA: Wu-Tang Clan is a group of individuals, homie. It’s a group of nine scientists. Each one has the ability to do onto himself, enough for himself. But if us n***as combine our energy together, it’s enough to change the world. I’ve used Voltron as a metaphor before. If n***as know what time it is, [it’ll happen]. Or, if not, let the legacy stand as it is. I’m proud of the legacy. If n***as are down to reform and add on to it—and crack these sucka n***as heads open with some ill s**t—I’m down to do that too. Either way, I’m all peace with the s**t. I’m self-satisfied.
If Wu-Tang do come together and make another album, the potential of that could affect the world. But, at the same time, that would take everybody—individually—to see that.
AllHipHop.com: Isn’t that your responsibility to make everybody see the same vision? You’re the leader, you’re the Abbott. Doesn’t it rest on you to get their trust?
RZA: Think about that. How could you get trust?
AllHipHop.com: That’s your responsibility as a leader. It’s on your shoulders.
RZA: No, I’m asking you. As a man, how do you gain trust?
AllHipHop.com: You go through it. You have to prove yourself to be trustworthy to them.
RZA: I can agree with that, if you apply that statement to the Wu-Tang members. You know Wu-Tang history as an outsider looking in. There’s nothing out there that’s trustworthy, son. If I haven’t gained a n***a’s trust by now…I’ve taken a n***a from Hell, really. If you looked at our lives, it was f**ked up. F**ked up. I’ve taken a n***a up into a whole new life and to see the world. I’ve done all kinds of s**t [for them]. Unnamable s**t. If you can’t trust a n***a like that, son, you got to be crazy.
AllHipHop.com: Where did the trust go, then?
RZA: Imagination is the problem. I told The Clan this on the tour. N***as is living inside of their imaginations. When you live inside your imagination, you can imagine anything. You can smoke some weed, get paranoid, and say that this n***a right next to you is a cop. You can let your imagination go out of control and it can take you away from the truth. That’s like the world thinking that Jesus was white. You can’t tell someone Jesus Christ wasn’t white. You know why? We got 2,000 years of pictures. The imagination is confirmed in the myth.
This is an example of imagination: I was on stage with U-God. The DJ f**ked around and turned the sound off right before his verse. He was ready to do his s**t and was pumped. I was ready to back him up too. It was rocking. Now, we do this every night, but for some reason, it cut off. Do you know that this n***a looked at me and put his middle finger up? I’m like, what the f**k is that? I tried to ignore it because we’re on stage. I turned away and then looked back at him. He gave me the middle finger again. I step over to the n***a and put my arm around him. The n***a moved my arm! Then I grab him with a more firm grip and I’m like, “What the f**k is wrong, my n***a?” I got him now. He’s like, “You’re on that bulls**t, n***a.” I said, “N***a, if I’m on any bulls**t, you ask me with it, because if I am, I am. F**k it, but I ain’t, n***a.” I come to find out that he thought that I told the DJ before the show that when his song comes on, to turn off the record. That’s his imagination. It had nothing to do with me.
AllHipHop.com: I gotta play devil’s advocate about this U-God thing. A while back he was on HOT97 and dissed you. You called in—yelling at him—and he confessed it was a publicity stunt. Is all this stuff really just a publicity stunt?
RZA: No, it ain’t no publicity stunt! I don’t know why he did that s**t! But listen, man, I’ve met many men in my lifetime and I don’t think I’ve ever met a group of brothers like the Wu-Tang Clan. It’s crazy to have love for n***as that ain’t your blood. I love them all like my brothers. Our brotherhood is unique and that’s what gonna change the world.