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Old 12-11-2008, 04:37 PM   #1
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Listening to the radio today i heard something that would make a fun topic, something that is not just Lakers related...

Who are the most influential people in basketball? besides the man who hung the peach basket on a post and told a bunch of kids to throw the ball in, who has had the biggest Impact on the game?

This is not a who is the "most influential" topic, there have been many pioneers of the sport and each persons contibution helped mold the sport, I doubt there is any one person that could be singled out as being the "most influential" so post those that you think had an impact on the game, cutting and pasting is OK...lol just provide the link

should be a fun way to learn more about the game for everyone

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Ward L. Lambert

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Born: May 28, 1888
Deadwood, SD
Died: January 20, 1958


Nervously pacing the sidelines, Ward "Piggy" Lambert's animated style of prodding demanded precision and execution from his teams. Diminutive in stature, Lambert was an innovative strategist and, during his 29 seasons, recruited players who fit into his coaching style: big players who could handle the ball and aggressive, ball-hawking perimeter players. At Purdue University, Lambert's All-America lineup included Hall of Famers Charles "Stretch" Murphy and John Wooden. In fact, Lambert's coaching methods greatly influenced Wooden and his Pyramid of Success. Lambert pioneered the fast-breaking style of hardwood play and his teams were always noted for their great speed. An energetic and prosperous coach, Lambert also authored the popular textbook, Practical Basketball, one of the early bibles of the game.

http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers...d-lambert.html

lets try and stay away from players unless they made an impact that is tangible... being a great scorer is not making an impact on the game... inventing the jump shot made an impact, being the guy who did it the best is not making an impact

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Old 12-11-2008, 05:26 PM   #2
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He was the greatest single college basketball player ever. His skyhook was one of the only rare moves ever that was(and still is) complete impossible to stop. There is not a single defense that I know of that could stop his skyhook (unless of course if triple-teamed). He was one of the first players that changed how the sport was played after he arrived in the NBA. He showed us that you don't have to be really strong strength-wise to dominate a game. He was really humble figure and also an outspoken person (which is very hard to find today). That person is Lewis Alcindor or better known as Kareem Abdul Jabar.

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The world may never again see an athlete dominate basketball for as long and as thoroughly as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. From the time he stepped on the court as Lewis Alcindor at Power Memorial High School in his native New York City, to the years he owned college basketball at UCLA to the time he retired as the NBA's all-time leader in nine statistical categories including the most points in NBA history, the 7-foot-2 superstar established himself as one of basketball's most talented and recognizable figures. Abdul-Jabbar's trademark skyhook was so precise and unstoppable it left defenders helpless. While one of Abdul-Jabbar's signature maneuvers, it is now widely considered basketball's most classic and lethal offensive move. Abdul-Jabbar brought finesse and agility to the center position, two traits he substituted for brute force and strength. He was the kind of player who graces a sport once in a lifetime.

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Old 12-11-2008, 05:37 PM   #3
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I'll reword it an repeat..

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lets try and stay away from players unless they made an impact that is tangible... being a great scorer is not making an impact on the game... inventing the jump shot made an impact, being the guy who did it the best is not making an impact
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I know you said not to mention him, but not everyone knows the history so I thought why not let some of the younger fellows read a little bit about him. He is creator of basketball himself. You cant have a "Most influential people in basketball" thread without the guy who made it happen.

James Naismith
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In the winter of 1891, when a thirty-year old physical education instructor from the local YMCA in Springfield, Massachusetts named James Naismith invented an indoor game that could be played between football and baseball seasons, basketball was born. Naismith wrote and developed basketball's original thirteen rules and, through the YMCA network, quickly spread the news throughout the country. As basketball's popularity grew, Naismith neither sought publicity nor engaged in self-promotion. He was first and foremost an educator. He embraced recreational sport but shied away from the glory of competitive athletics. Although he never had the opportunity to see basketball become the astonishing success it is today, Naismith's biggest thrill came when he was sponsored by the National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) to witness basketball become an Olympic sport at the 1936 Games held in Berlin. Today, basketball has grown into a sport that more than 300 million people play worldwide.

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no no he's good, i just was giving him a pass as the the most influential ever, without him we'd have nothing to talk about... he holds the top rank!! lol

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Im not mentioning him because of the player he was. I am mentioning him because he is the 1st ever dominate figure in basketball history. He was the first player to bring in a big fan base. And he was the one who perfected the jump hook well before Kareems time. His dominance caused the foul line to be made wider (known as the "Mikan Rule") and was the reason for the 1st ever shot clock.

George Mikan

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The marquee above Madison Square Garden that flashed "George Mikan vs. Knicks" aptly told the story of basketball's original superstar. The first dominant big man in professional ball, George Mikan played with a competitive fire and zest matched by few. Playing under Hall of Fame coach Ray Meyer at DePaul University, the 6-foot-10 Mikan along with fellow Hall of Famer Bob Kurland, swatted away so many shots that in 1944 the NCAA introduced a rule that prohibited goaltending. Unaffected by the rule change, Mikan led DePaul to the 1945 NIT title. Mikan enjoyed an extraordinary professional career, most notably winning championships with the Minneapolis Lakers. A dominating offensive force, Mikan led three different professional leagues in scoring and set the standard for all future centers. He was voted the greatest player in the first half century by the Associated Press.

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ihatetimthomas you mention the shot clock, very important bit of history here's a little blurb on it

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Danny Biasone will always have a place in NBA history as the man who invented the shot clock. His name has become synonymous with the clock, even to generations of basketball fans who never saw the 1950s. It was one of those rare ideas which worked immediately, completely and permanently. It accomplished nothing less than the salvation of pro basketball.

"Danny Biasone saved the NBA with the 24-second rule, make no mistake about that," said former NBA coach and referee Charlie Eckman.
http://www.nba.com/history/season/19541955.html



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^^very nice gts. Great thread btw. Its a good idea to help new basketball fans understand where everything came from. And its a great way to show appreciation for the sport we love. Everyone on the Laker forum should look up at least one person who made major contributions to basketball so we can all learn something
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Daily post.
To follow up on ihatetimthomas's post on James Naismith and bring the roots of basketball to a close today we meet

The First Basketball team



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In an attempt to increase participation in his gym class, which consisted of older gentlemen training to become executive secretaries, James Naismith invented a game he called basket ball (then two words). Initially, his class, a group of eighteen "incorrigibles" who had already driven off two previous instructors, scoffed at the idea. But from the moment the first ball was tossed into the air, the class played with an enthusiasm never before seen at the Springfield YMCA. Initially, the class concentrated on individual skills. But when both the class and Naismith realized that group effort was needed to play the game well, the first true basketball team was born. Word spread quickly. Spectators flocked to watch this exciting, new sport. By playing the first game of basketball on December 21, 1891, Naismith and the First Team laid the groundwork for what would become the fastest growing game in sports history.
  • First game of basketball played on December 21, 1891
  • First game of basketball consisted of eighteen players, nine to a side
  • Score of first game was 1-0
  • First Team toured U.S. and helped popularize basketball in the months following its invention.
  • First team founded during a class at the Springfield YMCA

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Nat "Sweetwater" Clifton, Chuck Cooper, Earl Lloyd

In the 1950-1951 season, the black color line was broken, and the first African-American's were signed to NBA contracts. Nat "Sweetwater" Clifton was the first African-American signed to an NBA contract, Chuck Cooper was the first to be drafted, and Earl Lyod was the first to play a regular season game. These 3 are known as the pioneers for African-American basketball players

The 50's was an important time for African-Americans and it was a time where African-Americans took a stand to the racisim they took. Notable events including Rosa Parks not giving her seat up to a white man and Brown vs. Board of Education which led to racial segregation in schools to be ruled unconstituional.

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The season also marked the first appearance of black players in the league. Chuck Cooper became the first black player to be drafted when he was chosen by Boston; Nat "Sweetwater" Clifton became the first to sign an NBA contract when he signed with New York, and Earl Lloyd became the first to play in an NBA regular-season game because the schedule had his Washington team opening one day before the others.
http://www.nba.com/history/season/19501951.html


Nat "Sweetwater" Clifton, Chuck Cooper, Earl Lloyd



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_%22...ter%22_Clifton
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Well, I don't know if you are referring to my post or not but let me ask you something. Who used skyhook on a regular basis during almost every game before Kareem? Who could stop the skyhook? Was there any truly dominant player before Kareem that did not rely on strength and athleticism but still dominated on both ends of the court with finesse and agility? Kareem changed how the game was played since he was the first truly dominant player taller than 7 foot. He forced teams to change up their gameplans when the Lakers rolled into those cities.

The skyhook was his most important contribution to basketball. Even to this very day, there is NO true defense to stop the skyhook that I know of. It is just one of those very rare once-in-a-lifetime moves that are close to impossible to guard.

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bladefd kareem did not invent the hook shot, it became a hall mark of his game but he didn't invent it by anymeans... i'll remind everyone. this is not a best players thread

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The "Classic Hook Shot"
The hook shot came into being over half a century ago with George Mikan and the Minneapolis Lakers. This shot is used mainly by post players close to the basket, near the blocks or in the paint. The post player receives the ball inside with his/her back to the basket.

that's why i said lets stay away from players... unless they made an actual impact on the game and how it is played...

for this discussion the man who shoots the best jump shot ever is not as important as the man who invented the jumpshot.. the player who has the best slam dunk is not as important as the first guy to realize he could dunk the ball.. phil jackson and his 9 rings is not as important as tex winter, because it was tex that invented the triangle (actually he made it work)

does that make sense?

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to follow up on ihatetimthomas's post on Chuck Cooper

Walter A. Brown
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Died: September 7, 1964


Walter Brown turned Boston into a basketball mecca. As president of the Boston Garden, he organized the first college basketball doubleheader in Beantown. In 1946 he helped establish the Basketball Association of America, and in 1949 helped form the NBA. But Brown's biggest accomplishment was the Boston Celtics. Brown founded the Celtics in 1946 and served as co-owner and president. His string of seven NBA championships (1957, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964) in eight years showed his shrewd business sense and ability to form a team. Brown was responsible for Chuck Cooper becoming the first black player drafted in the NBA, and originated the NBA All-Star Game - Boston hosted the first in 1951. Described as "down-to-earth, honest, and imaginative," he was beloved by his players. When he passed away, the NBA honored Brown by naming the championship trophy after him.
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do you guys have basketball history classes offered at your respective colleges?
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do you guys have basketball history classes offered at your respective colleges?
i went to an art school, we didn't even have basketball...lol
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