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Old 02-14-2009, 04:47 PM   #1
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Default Teams with cap space in 09

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Basically, the Thunder and the Griz will have enough to make a max offer. Portland might, depending on what they do with their current FA's. Detroit could, but would have to give up AI & Rasheed, and Dumars will probably want to hold it for 2010.

The Hawks could have $20, but they'd have to let Bibby and Williams walk, and renounce the rights to Childress...so they'll more likely be around $6-8mm. Minny has $12 if they let McCants go, but will more likely be around $9.

The Heat will have $10 if they let Marion walk

This is from a few weeks ago. So obviously we have to sub in Toronto for Miami. We should have more though as we currently have 45 million committed for next year and the cap this year is about 59 million. That means we could spend 14 million on players before we hit the cap, but that is only the soft ceiling. The tax threshold is 71 million. So that means we can spend 26 million before we have to pay tax. Getting that extra 12 million on the books will be difficult though because as soon as we hit the cap we can only trade up in contracts a small amount at a time. We will, however, have both the mid-level (5.5 Million) exception and the biannual (1.5 million) exception to spend. Contrary to other posters we WILL be allowed to use the mid-level.

What does this mean. We can spend about 20-21 million on resigning and new acquisitions in free agency. And then we can trade up in salaries another 5-6 million before we hit the tax, or where we are right now.

My concern is that they are gonna start getting cheap.
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Default Re: Teams with cap space in 09

Raptors will about 45 million tied into 8 players. So you need at least 5 players with whatever is left...
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Old 02-15-2009, 12:23 PM   #3
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We need to re-sign Parker and Graham and let everyone else walk. That should be about 6 million. Then we will have 8 million to spend on 2 players. Maybe Delfino and Rasho? Possibly Moon?

I think depth was one of the major problems of this team. If we reclaim the pieces that made us successful and deep in the past we will be a MUCH improved team. It's easy to say 'Yeah let's throw a 14 million backloaded deal to Boozer, Odom and Matrix and sign a bunch of D-Leaguers', but realistically we won't be a deep team and won't help us through our current problems.

Getting Rasho back will be a key for us. Jawai and Voskuhl are terrible reserves at centre.
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Default Re: Teams with cap space in 09

You receive the option of using the MLE when the team is over the cap no? Now with the cap room, the Raptors will not go over the cap. You cannot combine both capspace and the MLE to my knowledge.

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The team has the right to choose which of its available exceptions to use to sign a player. However, teams may not combine exceptions, or combine an exception with cap room, in order to sign a player. For example, a team with a $5 million Mid-Level exception and a $2 million in cap room may not combine them to sign a player for $7 million. This is explained more thoroughly in question number 72.

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Default Re: Teams with cap space in 09

I hope B.C trades one of Kapono or Banks before the deadline. That banks contract really swayed the trade in the Heats favour. 10 million to 2 players that provide minimal production (all you Kapono lovers please don't comment, he sucks), is not going to help at all. So much for massive cap space when trading O'neal.
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Default Re: Teams with cap space in 09

We will NOT have the MLE.

You only get the MLE if you are over the cap. We will be uder the cap there for we will have our cap space to spend and not the MLE.
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Old 02-15-2009, 03:35 PM   #7
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We will NOT have the MLE.

You only get the MLE if you are over the cap. We will be uder the cap there for we will have our cap space to spend and not the MLE.

What if we sign free agents in the off-season and are over the cap by a mill or so, do we get the MLE then?

Or is there some kind of deadline?
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Default Re: Teams with cap space in 09

It looks like you get your MLE, but it takes up cap space. So teams will usually renounce their MLE in order to have true cap space. Also, your free agents are given a cap hold if they have Bird Rights.....so that counts against your cap unless you release them. So I think Joey Graham and Parker will actually eat up our space, most of it, unless we release them.

It's not like we can use our $10-$11 mill of space, then re-sign Graham and Parker and then use our MLE.
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Old 02-15-2009, 03:57 PM   #9
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It looks like you get your MLE, but it takes up cap space. So teams will usually renounce their MLE in order to have true cap space. Also, your free agents are given a cap hold if they have Bird Rights.....so that counts against your cap unless you release them. So I think Joey Graham and Parker will actually eat up our space, most of it, unless we release them.

It's not like we can use our $10-$11 mill of space, then re-sign Graham and Parker and then use our MLE.

Remember the 4 million that Miami gave us. We could use that on top of the MLE thats 9 million we could spend on one player!!!!! Like New Orleans used the 3 million that they had to sign James Posey. We could work something out like resign Marion, Graham, and Parker and land 9 mill on one big name free agent.
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I hope B.C trades one of Kapono or Banks before the deadline. That banks contract really swayed the trade in the Heats favour. 10 million to 2 players that provide minimal production (all you Kapono lovers please don't comment, he sucks), is not going to help at all. So much for massive cap space when trading O'neal.

those are very difficult assignments.. no team would take those contracts..

i really wanna see bank's game.. he must have shown some greatness (whether it is illusion or potential) to earn that contract..
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Remember the 4 million that Miami gave us. We could use that on top of the MLE thats 9 million we could spend on one player!!!!! Like New Orleans used the 3 million that they had to sign James Posey. We could work something out like resign Marion, Graham, and Parker and land 9 mill on one big name free agent.

The 3 million was straight up cash. There was no cap implications.

Expiring contracts;

Shawn Marion $17,810,000
Anthony Parker $4,550,000
Jorge Garbajosa $4,250,000
Joey Graham $2,449,184
Jake Voskuhl $835,491
Will Solomon $711,517

That leaves 30.6 million coming off the books this offseason.

2009 Salaries

Chris Bosh $15,779,912
Jose Calderon $8,219,010
Jason Kapono $6,212,960
Andrea Bargnani $6,527,491
Marcus Banks $4,553,793
Kris Humphries $2,900,000
Roko Ukic $1,350,000
Nathan Jawai $736,420

That leaves us with a a payroll in 2009 of 46.3 million distributed through 8 players. That means we need to sign another 4 players for 13 million dollars. I really don't think it's possible to re-sign Marion without seriously compromising our depth. We could sign 4 decent players for 3 million a year, or re-sign Marion for 10 million and sign 3 D-Leaguers. The latter I do not think would be a good direction for this team.
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Old 02-15-2009, 05:18 PM   #12
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The 3 million was straight up cash. There was no cap implications.

Expiring contracts;

Shawn Marion $17,810,000
Anthony Parker $4,550,000
Jorge Garbajosa $4,250,000
Joey Graham $2,449,184
Jake Voskuhl $835,491
Will Solomon $711,517

That leaves 30.6 million coming off the books this offseason.

2009 Salaries

Chris Bosh $15,779,912
Jose Calderon $8,219,010
Jason Kapono $6,212,960
Andrea Bargnani $6,527,491
Marcus Banks $4,553,793
Kris Humphries $2,900,000
Roko Ukic $1,350,000
Nathan Jawai $736,420

That leaves us with a a payroll in 2009 of 46.3 million distributed through 8 players. That means we need to sign another 4 players for 13 million dollars. I really don't think it's possible to re-sign Marion without seriously compromising our depth. We could sign 4 decent players for 3 million a year, or re-sign Marion for 10 million and sign 3 D-Leaguers. The latter I do not think would be a good direction for this team.

13 mill lets see
2.5-3mill on Lottery pick
10 mill in Shawn Marion
3 mill in considerations= one solid role player or buy a pick around 15-30?

resign Graham and Parker... after the signings of Marion and draft pick, the bird rights
Match Delfino's offer?
MLE?

We can fill the team up pretty well. We do have money for Marion and we can make a huge impact this offseason. Who says we can't go over the cap New York was at 200 mill like three years ago weren't they? We better be effective this offseason or we will lose Bosh. Resigning Marion will be the key.
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Old 02-16-2009, 02:09 PM   #13
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The 3 million was straight up cash. There was no cap implications.

Expiring contracts;

Shawn Marion $17,810,000
Anthony Parker $4,550,000
Jorge Garbajosa $4,250,000
Joey Graham $2,449,184
Jake Voskuhl $835,491
Will Solomon $711,517

That leaves 30.6 million coming off the books this offseason.

2009 Salaries

Chris Bosh $15,779,912
Jose Calderon $8,219,010
Jason Kapono $6,212,960
Andrea Bargnani $6,527,491
Marcus Banks $4,553,793
Kris Humphries $2,900,000
Roko Ukic $1,350,000
Nathan Jawai $736,420

That leaves us with a a payroll in 2009 of 46.3 million distributed through 8 players. That means we need to sign another 4 players for 13 million dollars. I really don't think it's possible to re-sign Marion without seriously compromising our depth. We could sign 4 decent players for 3 million a year, or re-sign Marion for 10 million and sign 3 D-Leaguers. The latter I do not think would be a good direction for this team.

If we trade Kapono's contract for an expirer, we could have potentially 19 million dollars to spend this offseason on 5 players. Not bad.

Re-Sign
Parker (4.5M)
Graham (3M)
Delfino (4.5M)

FA Signings
Moon (3M)
Nesterovic (4M) = 19M

+ Draft Pick

C - Bargnani/Nesterovic/Jawai
PF - Bosh/Humphries
SF - Delfino/Moon
SG - Parker/Graham
PG - Calderon/Ukic/Banks

I think depth is a major problem for this team, and was the reason why we were successful in the past. I would really like to see this team together for next season.

What does everyone think about our off-season situation?
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If we trade Kapono's contract for an expirer, we could have potentially 19 million dollars to spend this offseason on 5 players. Not bad.

Re-Sign
Parker (4.5M)
Graham (3M)
Delfino (4.5M)

FA Signings
Moon (3M)
Nesterovic (4M) = 19M

+ Draft Pick

C - Bargnani/Nesterovic/Jawai
PF - Bosh/Humphries
SF - Delfino/Moon
SG - Parker/Graham
PG - Calderon/Ukic/Banks

I think depth is a major problem for this team, and was the reason why we were successful in the past. I would really like to see this team together for next season.

What does everyone think about our off-season situation?

Why don't we sign a big name F.A. and after the signing re sign our players with the bird rights?
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Old 02-16-2009, 03:12 PM   #15
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Why don't we sign a big name F.A. and after the signing re sign our players with the bird rights?

They will still count against the cap until released. In that case, there will be no cap room to sign the big FA. In the case that you release them and go after the big fish, the bird rights are gone and they've hit the open market. A lot of teams would be abusing that if that were the case.
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