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Old 10-03-2006, 06:00 PM   #1
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Default teach Dirk to play D

I really think that if Dirk played any D at all in the finals, Mavs would
have won in five, easily. I counted at least five times a game when
Dirk steps out of the way and lets Miami, usually DWade, get a dunk
or layup. Many of those games were real close, this would have made
the difference......

If Dirk plays hard D, and actually makes first or second
all-defense team, then he would deserve the props everyone seems
to give him. Until then, he's one dimensional, not derserving of half
what he receives. Some one kick his ass!!!
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Old 10-03-2006, 06:12 PM   #2
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Dirk is a better defender than he was. There may some room for improvement, but he is what he is. He will never make an all-defensive team. Most people will laugh just reading that.

A lot of what happens depends on the play. If you have no chance of blocking the shot, why waste a foul on it? Losing one of your main sources for points is not a very smart move. The guy averages a block and a steal per game, to go with 9 rebounds. That's better than average and shows he is not one dimensional.
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Old 10-03-2006, 09:39 PM   #3
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i agree with silent mav. if you arent a shot blocker chances are that you will foul out in 15 minutes pretending to be one, if you arent a good defender 1-on-1 its probably the same, if you play in such a good rebounding team you dont need to be a wilt chamberlain rebounder.
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Old 10-03-2006, 11:55 PM   #4
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Dirk is a better defender than he was. There may some room for improvement, but he is what he is. He will never make an all-defensive team. Most people will laugh just reading that.

A lot of what happens depends on the play. If you have no chance of blocking the shot, why waste a foul on it? Losing one of your main sources for points is not a very smart move. The guy averages a block and a steal per game, to go with 9 rebounds. That's better than average and shows he is not one dimensional.

Come on!! There is a ton of room for improvement. He doesn't work hard
enough on that end. If he improves a lot, they are the best team. If he
dogs it as usual, PHX or SAN takes it. It depends on Dirk. He's the weak
link. :rollingeyes:
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Old 10-04-2006, 01:21 AM   #5
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He's not ever going to be a great defender. He does work hard. And I'm sure he will work harder. But even then he has his limits as a defender. If they beat PNX or SA ( and they have ) it won't be his defense that wins it.
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Old 10-04-2006, 12:17 PM   #6
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Haha... did someone call dirk the weak link? You're right its dirk's defense that lost it. That jumper that payton hit to win... game 3 was it? dirk should have blocked it.

You say dirk just let wade go by him? How about we start by judging a player's defense by looking at the guy he is guarding. You dont say shaq's defense sucks because terry scored a lot.

The mavs also have 2 huge centers under the basket, and if anyone is going to step up hard, it will be them, not our all-star powerforward who leads the team in scoring.

Also look at where dirk was on the floor. Most times he was guarding Haslem. Haslem usually plays free-throw line extended. At 15 ft out one is rarely in a position to step up and be defensive stopper on a drive.

So if i may ask, what do you base your statements on? ya know, that dirk doesn't work, that he is soft, etc. Do these come from something other than the 6 games you watched in the finals and regurgitating what barkley says?
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Old 10-05-2006, 12:03 AM   #7
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they just wouldve called a foul on dirk.
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Old 10-05-2006, 06:53 PM   #8
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Default Dirk and D

My view is that Dirk puts out way more effort on offense and
I want to see him play that hard on D. He's a big guy and could
be much better. Too many times he feels pressure and backs off.
In close games, you can't do that.

If you look at his regular season stats, he's at about 2 fouls per game.
That's weak, evidence he is not trying hard enough.

I think the finals games were so close, that if he played a bit harder,
took some fouls and maybe they miss (ie, Shaq). That happens a
few times, and Dallas wins it.

When he starts hustling on D, then talk about MVP, but not before.
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Old 10-05-2006, 08:33 PM   #9
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In the regular season he did avg 2.02 PF per game, and they set a franchise record for wins.

You conveniently left out the fact that in the 2 wins over Miami he avg'd 2 PF per game. In the losses he avg'd 4 fouls per game, getting 5 fouls in both the 3rd game and the 6th game of the series, arguably the most pivotal games. A couple more fouls in 3 of the four losses and our number one option is out of the game. Can you explain to me how taking a couple more fouls in those loses would have helped us? Call me crazy but I'd rather have dirk in the game than see him play "hard defense" and foul out early.

Or another way to look at it from the way you stated things, if he had that many fouls, he must have been playing very hard defense right? So this entire thread loses all value, maybe he could start teaching D with effort like that in the finals... right?

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Old 10-05-2006, 10:19 PM   #10
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soog there you go using logic again!
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Old 10-06-2006, 05:23 PM   #11
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If you remember my first title, I suggest that Dirk needs to be
taught some defense. He obviously is not that good at it. The
reason he backs off so many times is that he does not want to
foul out. I think we agree on that.

So what's wrong with him improving and Dallas domnating? Other
teams are getting better, why not Dirk too, and therefore Dallas?
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Old 10-06-2006, 06:33 PM   #12
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All we are saying is that Dirk is never going to be a dominant defender. He can improve on what he is now. But he will never be a stopper. That's like saying Ben Wallace needs to develop a jumper.
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Old 10-06-2006, 11:08 PM   #13
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I actually think Dirk does an alright job on D. Obviously the Mavs feel this way too, since they obviously feel comfortable switching almost every pick and roll he is involved in. There arenīt too many 4/5īs in the league that teams allow to switch out and guard perimeter guys. He keeps guys in front of him, and get a challenge on their shots. This is pretty much all you can ask of your 4/5 7 footer when they get switched out on a point or shooting guard.

He could be a better shot blocker, but heīs more of a positional defender which is alright too. When you have him beside a shot blocker like Diop, sometimes its better to have a guy who is ready in helpside and can grab rebounds. Dirk could work a little harder at keeping his man from catching it where he wants, but so could alot of players.
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Old 10-07-2006, 12:00 AM   #14
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Dirk's D will always get bashed no matter how much he improves. Maybe if he ever wins an MVP people will overlook it. It seems to have worked for Nash.
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Old 10-07-2006, 12:07 AM   #15
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Dirk's D will always get bashed no matter how much he improves. Maybe if he ever wins an MVP people will overlook it. It seems to have worked for Nash.

Interesting... I don't think he will ever win an MVP or ring, although I could be surprised. I think he lacks the killer instinct that is needed to be a true champion. Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan, Kareem, and others come to mind as having the mental toughness, leadership and desire to add that extra "something" to themselves and their team.

I just don't think Dirk has that in him, and I think it will keep him from getting a ring.

Just my humble opinion.
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