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Old 04-10-2009, 05:30 PM   #1
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Default Dirk For MVP

Since all of the Mavericks homers on this site disappeared after their upset against Golden State a few years ago, I have to give Dirk a big up for carrying his weak team to the Playoffs.

Nobody else realizes how bad the Mavericks really are and Dirk has been the main contributor this season as they reach the Playoffs.


March:
26.1 PPG 8.6 RPG 3.1 APG

April:
31 PPG 6.3 RPG 2.0 APG


Hes still going to be remembered as a choker but hes really stepped up to get this team a 1st Round exit in Los Angeles.
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Old 04-10-2009, 05:40 PM   #2
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Dwight has had the best stats for a big man all season and he's not even in the conversation of Kobe, Wade and LeBron. Why would Dirk get in? Especially when his team is not playing that well this year?
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Old 04-10-2009, 05:42 PM   #3
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Dirk has been pretty big this season and it has really gone unnoticed embark of Lebron, Kobe and Wade. But he really stepped it up to end strong and to clinch a playoff spot. He has come up big in big games and stepped up when needed. He will never let losing 4 in a row in the finals or getting bumped in the 1st round by an 8th seed, but he really is a special player and is a warrior
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Old 04-10-2009, 06:11 PM   #5
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Default Re: Dirk For MVP

It's a shame because Kobe Bryant has choked just as much, if not more, than Dirk over the years and is given a free pass by many fans whereas it defines Dirk. But, in reality, Dirk & Kobe have both accomplished basically the same things; a Finals appearance (and loss) and a MVP. Dirk has to go 3-1 in the last four for Dallas to reach their 9th straight 50 win season and they just clinched their 9th straight playoff birth. He is on his 4th PG in this era (Nash, Terry, Devin Harris, Kidd), 2nd #2 option (Fin then Josh), has never had a great or even good C, his 4th dominant 6th man (Nick Van Exel, Antawn Jamison, Jerry Stackhouse, Jason Terry), and 3rd coach (Don Nelson, Avery Johnson, Rick Carlisle).

My point is that there has been a ton of change in Dallas over the years, they lost a future 2 time MVP for nothing, he just walked, no compensation, yet the one constant through all the change has been Dirk Nowitzki. He should get alot more credit than he actually does, alot of teams struggle with the changing of the guard (The Lakers after Shaq were in the lottery with Kobe, the Heat were in the lottery with Wade for a year too), but Dirk has kept them competitive for a decade straight.

He isnt the MVP, obviously it is LeBron James, but he should be in the discussion with Tim Duncan for that 1st team All NBA spot this year.
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It's a shame because Kobe Bryant has choked just as much, if not more, than Dirk over the years and is given a free pass by many fans whereas it defines Dirk. But, in reality, Dirk & Kobe have both accomplished basically the same things; a Finals appearance (and loss) and a MVP. Dirk has to go 3-1 in the last four for Dallas to reach their 9th straight 50 win season and they just clinched their 9th straight playoff birth. He is on his 4th PG in this era (Nash, Terry, Devin Harris, Kidd), 2nd #2 option (Fin then Josh), has never had a great or even good C, his 4th dominant 6th man (Nick Van Exel, Antawn Jamison, Jerry Stackhouse, Jason Terry), and 3rd coach (Don Nelson, Avery Johnson, Rick Carlisle).

My point is that there has been a ton of change in Dallas over the years, they lost a future 2 time MVP for nothing, he just walked, no compensation, yet the one constant through all the change has been Dirk Nowitzki. He should get alot more credit than he actually does, alot of teams struggle with the changing of the guard (The Lakers after Shaq were in the lottery with Kobe, the Heat were in the lottery with Wade for a year too), but Dirk has kept them competitive for a decade straight.

He isnt the MVP, obviously it is LeBron James, but he should be in the discussion with Tim Duncan for that 1st team All NBA spot this year.
Valid points.

It seems that people are always looking for a reason to criticize Dirk. I've been guilty of this in the past. He is an easy target, but I'm not even sure why. I guess his European style of play leads people to believe that he is soft, physically and mentally.

The truth is, he has been consistently elite for a good many years now and he should get more love from the media and fans alike.
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Old 04-10-2009, 06:28 PM   #7
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Dirk has been having a great couple months, but he's not MVP status with Lebron and Kobe. Truthfully, i want Dirk to win tho, he's been tite since he played for the world in the Nike Hoops Summit.

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*great* post, miles.


dirk is one of those funny guys to me... he's got great production, but he's one of the few guys i can think of whose basketball identity is "scorer", but whose impact goes beyond his scoring production.

to explain:

dirk's combination of size, skill set, and play style are incredibly valuable, because he frequently forces teams out of their standard defenses. where a lot of players (dirk included) are mismatches for some/many/all individual defenders, Dirk is fairly unique in that he's kind of an automatic mismatch for entire team defenses/schemes. the same way some perimeter players--like wade, cp3, etc--can disrupt offenses, dirk disrupts defenses.

it's really hard to explain exactly what i mean by that, but it's definitely the feeling i've had watching him over his career. devensive schemes just don't play out against dirk the way they do against other players. the question is rarely "how well did ____ contain him?" it's "how was he shooting that night?"--because a lot of times, defenses don't really impact his shooting. he's just hitting, or he's not.

bleh.

i haven't done a good job of explaining this, but if anyone sees what i'm getting at, and wants to help me out by explaining it better, please do so. just got off work, and i'm a little fried mentally.
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Cuban needs to retool this Dallas team in the off-season. Trade Kidd's expiring contract to the Suns for Nash and J-rich. Phoenix gets rid of contracts and gets to rebuild dallas can throw in a 1st round pick also.

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With Terry, Barrea of the bench
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Since all of the Mavericks homers on this site disappeared after their upset against Golden State a few years ago, I have to give Dirk a big up for carrying his weak team to the Playoffs.

Nobody else realizes how bad the Mavericks really are and Dirk has been the main contributor this season as they reach the Playoffs.


March:
26.1 PPG 8.6 RPG 3.1 APG

April:
31 PPG 6.3 RPG 2.0 APG


Hes still going to be remembered as a choker but hes really stepped up to get this team a 1st Round exit in Los Angeles.
deserve a trophy for caring his team to the 8th spot
and his team is not weak.
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deserve a trophy for caring his team to the 8th spot
and his team is not weak.


His team is very weak. Kidd is old, Terry is a undersized combo guard who just shoots, Stackhouse is garbage, Dampier is garbage, Barrea is short, Diop is just Diop......
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My point is that there has been a ton of change in Dallas over the years, they lost a future 2 time MVP for nothing, he just walked, no compensation, yet the one constant through all the change has been Dirk Nowitzki. He should get alot more credit than he actually does, alot of teams struggle with the changing of the guard (The Lakers after Shaq were in the lottery with Kobe, the Heat were in the lottery with Wade for a year too), but Dirk has kept them competitive for a decade straight.

Id like to preface this post by saying yes...I do love a demoralizing run-on sentence.


In the grand scheme of things...what does winning 50 games and losing 9 years in a row even mean?

Its not competitive to be fighting to get out of the 8th seed spot to put off a virtually assured first round exit(since the Mavs themselves are not the epic record having #1 seed I doubt there is an upset). Being in the playoffs doesnt make you competitive.

More often than not it makes you the bad end of 45 second long clip on the first round series win in someone elses champion DVD where at best....they show your team make a three and change the pace of the music to create mock drama for kids that dont know what happened who are watching the video on a tuesday afternoon on ESPN 6 in 2022.

Doesnt really matter if youre decent but in the end irrelevant every year. The Heat as you said were out of the playoffs last year. Wade was hurt half the season and they played the equal of two full teams due to injury(they played 22 people last season). And with 15 wins they played their last game like a week and 2 days before the Mavs played theirs.

I bet some of the Mavs got to their summer homes before some of the Heat.

A young upcoming team in need of the experience for growth? Playoffs are nice. 50 wins shows promise. For a team led by a soon to be 30 yearold whos second best player is....36? A 50 win first round(or second....or 3rd for that matter) round loss season is just putting off for another day the rebuild that has to arrive for the greater good.

Mavs, Suns, and Pistons are just irrelevant and nothing they do can really have a positive impact. Winning 50 just doesnt mean much of anything. It matters like the Hornets winning 50 a few times with Glen rice mattered. It...."Thats....mildly impressive" matters. Just makes you the team a smug internet poster struggles to remember 10 years later for the sake of a possibly more harsh than needed reference.

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His team is very weak. Kidd is old, Terry is a undersized combo guard who just shoots, Stackhouse is garbage, Dampier is garbage, Barrea is short, Diop is just Diop......

Diop plays for the Bobcats.

Dirk's supporting cast is definitely one of the weaker ones in the West.

Kobe has Gasol, Odom and Bynum.
Melo has Billups, JR Smith and Nenê
Yao has Artest, Scola and Battier
Roy has Aldridge, and a great bench
Duncan has Parker and Mason (Manu has been out too often)
Paul has West, Chandler, and Butler has been playing well
Williams has Millsap, Okur, Boozer, Kirilenko, a deep bench (when healthy)

Dirk just has Jason Kidd, a shadow of his former self, an often injured and streaky Josh Howard as his second option, and Jason Terry and Juan Barea as his role players.
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Agreed. When you're on a bad-decent team though you get overlooked.
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It's a shame because Kobe Bryant has choked just as much, if not more, than Dirk over the years and is given a free pass by many fans whereas it defines Dirk. But, in reality, Dirk & Kobe have both accomplished basically the same things; a Finals appearance (and loss) and a MVP. Dirk has to go 3-1 in the last four for Dallas to reach their 9th straight 50 win season and they just clinched their 9th straight playoff birth. He is on his 4th PG in this era (Nash, Terry, Devin Harris, Kidd), 2nd #2 option (Fin then Josh), has never had a great or even good C, his 4th dominant 6th man (Nick Van Exel, Antawn Jamison, Jerry Stackhouse, Jason Terry), and 3rd coach (Don Nelson, Avery Johnson, Rick Carlisle).

My point is that there has been a ton of change in Dallas over the years, they lost a future 2 time MVP for nothing, he just walked, no compensation, yet the one constant through all the change has been Dirk Nowitzki. He should get alot more credit than he actually does, alot of teams struggle with the changing of the guard (The Lakers after Shaq were in the lottery with Kobe, the Heat were in the lottery with Wade for a year too), but Dirk has kept them competitive for a decade straight.

He isnt the MVP, obviously it is LeBron James, but he should be in the discussion with Tim Duncan for that 1st team All NBA spot this year.


This. Dirk >>>>>>>>> Kobe but since he's white, he doesn't get the credit he deserves.
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