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Old 06-13-2006, 12:58 PM   #1
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Default Top 5 picks that never helped the team who drafted them

Criteria - We're going with 2002 and earlier. If the team hasn't been to the playoffs yet, it's automatic. If the player got traded before they learned how to play, it's automatic.

2002
#2 - Jay Williams got in a stupid motorcycle accident before he had a chance to do anything
#3 - Mike Dunleavy just isn't a very good basketball player
#4 - Drew Gooden may be average some day, but it will never help the Grizzlies
#5 - Nikoloz Tskitishvili isn't just awful - he hurt all future foreign players's chances

2001
#1 - Kwame Brown was useless in Washington, and ultimately got benched
#4 - Eddy Curry sucked for the Bulls, even if they lucked out in the end with NY
#5 - Jason Richardson hasn't been able to lead the Warriors to the playoffs

2000
#2 - Strom Swift is about as useless as a #2 pick can be
#3 - Darius Miles is on what, his third team already with no impact?
#4 - Marcus Fizer isn't even in the league anymore

1999
#2 - Steve Francis forced a trade and Vancouver never really benefited from it
#4 - Lamar Odom had to jump to two more teams before finding his place
#5 - Jonothan Bender is no longer in the league

1998
#1 - Michael Olawakandi has been the consumate bust at #1.
#2 - Mike Bibby played is way out of the Grizzilies future plans
#3 - Raef LaFrentz was decent as a rookie, but never led Denver anywhere

1997
#2 - Keith Van Horn sucked his whole career for many NBA teams
#3 - Chauncy Billups didn't become good until team #5 or so
#4 - Antonio Daniels was a wasted pick
#5 - Tony Battie rounds out the list to make this one of the worst drafts ever

1996
#2 - Marcus Camby had some good 1/4 seasons here and there, but none for Toronto
#3 - Shareef Abdur Rahim has excelled at stat stuffing, but not at winning games
#4 - Stephon Marbury despite being the best point guard in the world, is not very good

1995
#1 - Joe Smith became only a good role player, and not for GS
#2 - Antonio McDyess could have been a hell of a player, but it didn't work out
#4 - Rasheed Wallace was pure cancer for about four teams before landing in Detroit

1994
#2 - Jason Kidd eventually became one of the game's best, but Dallas didn't benefit
#4 - Donyell Marshall will be long forgotten by the time he retires
#5 - Juwan Howard was good only at being one of the most over-paid players in the league




And some future predictions.
2003: Darko of course is already a lock, and Bosh is the only other candidate if he never leads the Raptors to the playoffs. Considering they will use 3 PF's next year, it's still possible that he walks away without ever leading the Raps there.

2004: Okafor is the only real contendor here, since the Bobcats have so far to go before reaching the playoffs. Anything could happen before then.

2005: Marvin Williams is oozing with potential for this list. Atlanta is still a mess, and entering his second year, he still isn't ready to play in the NBA. Deron Williams and Ray Felton are still candidates as well.

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Old 06-13-2006, 01:01 PM   #2
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Actually, Mike Dunleavy is a good basketball player. He just can't play with stupid moron streetball guys like Baron Davis and Jason Richardson...which nobody can really play with
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By the way, this list includes well over 50% of the draft picks, and that's just insane. I think this is the best support that the age limit could ever receive, since that rule will help ensure that the best players in the draft go to the teams that pick at the top.

Why have so many of the top picks been awful over the last 15 years?
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Old 06-13-2006, 01:07 PM   #4
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I think Pip was a top 5 pick. He'd be a candidate for the all-time list.
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Old 06-13-2006, 01:08 PM   #5
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#2 - Keith Van Horn sucked his whole career for many NBA teams
Not true. Wasn't he a 20-10 guy (or at least close to that) early on in Jersey? He was soft, but didn't truly "suck."
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Fair enough. My apologies, Keith.
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I think you have to include what these players were traded for.

-Kwame got the Wizards Caron, so that was good work by him. Not worth a #1pick by any means.

-Didn't the Grizzlies turn Gooden into Mike Miller? They made out ok.

-The Bulls got some ok years out of Eddy Curry, and then turned him into a top pick.
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Getting a decent trade out of the player softens the blow, but it's never what you hope for when you draft a guy. When you get a top 5 pick it means you were an awful team, and you're hoping to get your franchise savior.
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Eddy Curry helped the Bulls. Without his inside scoring, Chicago wouldn't have finsihed with the 3rd best record in the East! before they traded him for multiple lottery picks.

Curry may suck on defense, but his inside scoring opened up the perimeter for Chicago's elite guards and forwards which helped them cement the 3rd best record in the East and a 4 seed.
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Curry may suck on defense, but his inside scoring opened up the perimeter for Chicago's elite guards and forwards which helped them cement the 3rd best record in the East and a 4 seed.

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#2 - Keith Van Horn sucked his whole career for many NBA teams

There is something hilariously poetic about that statement.
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ALBaller, Kirk Hinrich is an elite PG. and ben gordon is the most clutch player in the NBA. do you think steve francis and stephon marbury are better than Kirk Hinrich and Ben Gordon when it comes to playing NBA ball? Also, Andres Nocioni (the gold medalist) proved very few players up their game more than he does when it comes to playoff basketball.
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#5 - Jason Richardson hasn't been able to lead the Warriors to the playoffs

The man was damn near an all-star and is still only 25 or so years old. He puts up over 22 points a game while rebounding as much as some teams power fowards. What more do you want from him?
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I think this is the best support that the age limit could ever receive, since that rule will help ensure that the best players in the draft go to the teams that pick at the top.

This is funny...You say the poor drafting is a good reason the age limit is in place... but then you ask:

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Why have so many of the top picks been awful over the last 15 years?

Because the front offices in this league stink they obviously arent doing their homework.....the age limit doesnt help this problem....

the league is a co-dependent with their poor front office work....The teams that draft poorly will still do so......the age limit just robs the teams who do their homework of the chance to cash in on a great prospect because the poor teams in the league cant handle the 'burden' of drafting players under 19.. its pathetic to penalize the good teams in order to save the bad ones from themselves
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Actually, Mike Dunleavy is a good basketball player. He just can't play with stupid moron streetball guys like Baron Davis and Jason Richardson...which nobody can really play with

not sure what makes j rich streetball. b davis may hold the ball but dunleavy couldnt hold his jock.
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