Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops

Go Back   Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops > NBA Team Forums > Boston Celtics Forum

Boston Celtics Forum Boston Celtics message board - Boston celtics fan forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-10-2006, 07:12 AM   #1
Real Men Wear Green
Don't panic.
 
Real Men Wear Green's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brighton, MA
Posts: 19,970
Real Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default Preseason Position battles: who starts, who subs, and who just sits?

With the start of the preseason today I figure it's as good a time as any to make a thread about the preseason. Yes, my logic is impeccable. The main things to watch for are the following position battles: Sebastian Telfair vs. Rajon Rondo vs. Delonte West for PG spots (both starting as well as 2nd-string) with West having the advantage of being the incumbent but the disadvantage of coming off a minor back injury. Ryan Gomes vs. Al Jefferson for starting PF, and Theo Ratliff vs, Kendrick Perkins for starting center. There is a small chance that Tony Allen starts instead of Wally Szczerbiak but that would be for strategic purposes not related to who the overall better player is (that would be Szczerbiak)...actually, I just read a Herald story where Doc said Szczerbiak's starting, so nevermind that. Also, we have a few fringe players who are trying to make the team (Allan Ray, Kevin Pittsnogle, Akin Akingbala, Leon Powe, Michael Olowakandi, Dwayne Jones, and probably some people I've forgotten that all have either partially guaranteed or completely ungauranteed contracts). This thread will track all of their progress in the preseason with the following method: For position battles, a player gets 2 points for outplaying all others at his position, 1 point for being second best, and 0 for coming in third. For guys trying to make the roster, it's 1 point for coming in at the top 15 of all players, and 0 for not making said 15.

The chart:

PGS:
Delonte West: 0 points total, no games played so far
Sebastian Telfair: 2 points total, 2 games played so far.
Rajon Rondo: 4 points total, 2 games played so far.

Game 1, vs. Cleveland: In the first game Rondo shined on both ends of the floor. Telfair overcame a bad start to give a respectable performance, and Delonte West didn't play, still letting the back recover.

Game 2, Rondo brings 29 and 5, puts the game into OT, and would have won it for us if Doc played anyone that was a real big in the fourth. He alone almost makes smallball work. So keep Rondo and ditch smallball.

Relevent statistics:
West: NA
Telfair: 14 ppg, 2.5 apg, 4.5 tpg
Rondo: 20 ppg, 6.5 apg, 3.5 spg, 4.5 rebounds

PF:
Ryan Gomes: 3 points total, 2 games played.
Al Jefferson: 3 points total, 2 games played.

Game 1, vs. Cleveland: No major gripes about Gomes, but the starting unit with him in it was the only one that got pounded and one of the main reasons the Cs got pounded in the first quarter was the inability to contain Drew Gooden. A regular-height pf normally wouldn't let him have such a field day. When Al came in and got to play alongside Perk the team had much-needed size so that it didn't look like a bunch of adults beating up on children at the local Y. Jefferson also brought some inside scoring presence.

Game 2: Offensively, Jefferson never got it going...not entirely his fault (he wasn't getting his post ups) but it's true. Hopefully he gets more involved on Friday. Gomes on the other hand was his normal solid, steady self.

Relevent statistics:
Gomes: 8 ppg, 6 rpg, 2.5 steals
Jefferson: 5 ppg, 4.5 boards, 1.5 blocks

Center:
Kendrick Perkins: 2 points, 1 game
Theo Ratliff: 0 points, 1 game

Game 1: Michael Olowakandi went Rodman in the third quarter to edge out Theo Ratliff who barely played (7 minutes) and did little while he was out there. Perk comes out on top for giving a complete game with offense, defense, and rebounding. May have to include Kandi in this category if he keeps it up.

Game 2: I'm actually not giving anyone any points for last night, in part due to all the smallball. But also...stay out of foul trouble, Perk.

Relevent Statistics:
Perkins: 10 points, 7 boards
Ratliff: Donut.

Roster hopefuls:
Akin Akingbala: 0...nothing he did stood out in game 1. No visa in Game 2. Good luck.
Leon Powe: Another DNP.
Michael Olowakandi: 2. Looks like we're keeping him.
Allan Ray: 2.May not play when West returns but right now gets consistent minutes.
Kevin Pittsnogle: 0...another victim of pt.
Dwyane Jones: NA, DNP

Last edited by Real Men Wear Green : 10-11-2006 at 10:15 PM.
Real Men Wear Green is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2006, 01:03 PM   #2
JohnnySic
green is good
 
JohnnySic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 8,043
JohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation here
Default

Maybe not at the start of the season, but at some point:

Starters: PP, Wally, Perk, Al, Bassy.

Key subs: West, Allen, Gomes, Green, Ratliff, Rondo.

The rest: Scal, Ray, Jones, Powe.

Probable cuts: Kandi, Pittsnogle, Akingbala.

Although I have a feeling they may keep Kandi and drop Jones.
JohnnySic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2006, 06:44 PM   #3
boceltballa
I hit open layups
 
boceltballa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SPORTSHUNCH.COM
Posts: 144
boceltballa has an OK reputation so far
Default

I would like to see Allan Ray make this team. I think he is a promising player and he already has experience being a good "sidekick" when he was on Villanova with Randy Foye. I think once he gets experience and gets the NBA feel, he could come off the bench and hit some shots when they double up Pierce.

I consider Ray an undrafted gem. I am still in awe at the fact that he didn't get a call on draft night. Foye was great, but Ray made him better. I think he could do the same with Pierce.
boceltballa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2006, 07:49 PM   #4
Real Men Wear Green
Don't panic.
 
Real Men Wear Green's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brighton, MA
Posts: 19,970
Real Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default

Thoughts through first quarter vs. Cleveland:

1. Bassy had better be A LOT better than what I've seen so far.
2. Rajon Rondo is a less offensive-minded Marcus Banks.
3. Perk and Al look good.
4. I don't know how Doc can preach d and then play smallball. Has there ever been a smallball lineup in NBA history that played good d?
Real Men Wear Green is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2006, 07:56 PM   #5
Real Men Wear Green
Don't panic.
 
Real Men Wear Green's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brighton, MA
Posts: 19,970
Real Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default

I should add that I do like Rondo's passing and d. He just can't score. Also, there is one battle that I didn't mention but exists and will be important: Gerald Green vs. Tony Allen for Sixth Man. And so far, in this game, Tony has been alright but Gerald Green is spectacular at times.

Last edited by Real Men Wear Green : 10-10-2006 at 08:03 PM.
Real Men Wear Green is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2006, 08:18 PM   #6
XxNeXuSxX
The Master Debater
 
XxNeXuSxX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: UConn
Posts: 8,000
XxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation here
Default

Rondo is doing amazing right now on his dishes. I really like how he has played on the break.

Also, Al looks unstoppable in the post right now, his moves seem to be so quick it's frightning.
XxNeXuSxX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2006, 08:44 PM   #7
MaxFly
Stylin' on you
 
MaxFly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 8,391
MaxFly is popular on this boardMaxFly is popular on this boardMaxFly is popular on this boardMaxFly is popular on this boardMaxFly is popular on this board
Default

Ryan Gomes has a nice little shot there... I like his range, and he doesn't seem hesitant to take that shot. He can also rebound well... I'm definitely looking forward to seeing him play this year.
MaxFly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2006, 08:53 PM   #8
XxNeXuSxX
The Master Debater
 
XxNeXuSxX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: UConn
Posts: 8,000
XxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation here
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxFly
Ryan Gomes has a nice little shot there... I like his range, and he doesn't seem hesitant to take that shot. He can also rebound well... I'm definitely looking forward to seeing him play this year.

I agreem it's clear he has been working on extending his range during the offseason, and it looks as smooth as can be.
XxNeXuSxX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2006, 09:00 PM   #9
MaxFly
Stylin' on you
 
MaxFly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 8,391
MaxFly is popular on this boardMaxFly is popular on this boardMaxFly is popular on this boardMaxFly is popular on this boardMaxFly is popular on this board
Default

Olowakandi is really playing for a roster spot, but I agree with the commentators... I'm not sure Kandi even likes basketball.
MaxFly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2006, 09:29 PM   #10
BullsBigMan29
I hit open 5-footers
 
BullsBigMan29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 273
BullsBigMan29 has an OK reputation so far
Default

Nice avatar Real Men Wear Green.

From a Bulls fan's perspective, you have one very talented team, but so many questions. This here is my starters for your Celtics:

PG: Delonte West. Telfair won't start...yet.

SG: Paul Pierce. He's a better 2 Guard than a small forward. But that's just my opinion.

Center: Michael Olowokandi. I actually think Ainge is going to give him one more shot, and if he resembles the same "Kandi Man" that was drafted by L.A. and played in Minnesota, Boston will be on K.P. time as Kendrick Perkins is waiting in the wings.

Small Forward: Wally Sczerbiak. Normally it would be Pierce, but Wally World would be better at his natural position.

Power Forward: Ryan Gomes. I'd like it if he started, but Al looks as if he will take it.
BullsBigMan29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2006, 09:45 PM   #11
Real Men Wear Green
Don't panic.
 
Real Men Wear Green's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brighton, MA
Posts: 19,970
Real Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default

Bassy had a few turnovers more than I'd like to see but played well after that strange first quarter. The young bigs looked good and Gerald Green is easily our most entertaining player, but I have to say the star of the game for us was Rondo. Looks like I may have been wrong about him pre-draft...I certainly hope so.
Real Men Wear Green is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2006, 09:49 PM   #12
XxNeXuSxX
The Master Debater
 
XxNeXuSxX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: UConn
Posts: 8,000
XxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation hereXxNeXuSxX has an incredible reputation here
Default

Well, to be fair, I remember Banks playing this well during the preseason his rookie year as well. I remember thinking Banks looked like he would be a DPOY. Jesus I was wrong
XxNeXuSxX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2006, 08:07 AM   #13
JohnnySic
green is good
 
JohnnySic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 8,043
JohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation hereJohnnySic has an incredible reputation here
Default

I really hope that Danny is not entertaining any thoughts of trading Gerald. Kid needs to be kept around for his entertainment value alone, to say nothing of his star potential.
JohnnySic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2006, 08:24 PM   #14
Real Men Wear Green
Don't panic.
 
Real Men Wear Green's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brighton, MA
Posts: 19,970
Real Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default

Midway through the Raptor game I'm not liking all of Bassy's turnovers, and see not much special about his court vision...he's quick, but seems to be at his best when he attacks the basket for himself. Still prefering Rondo here.
Real Men Wear Green is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2006, 10:04 PM   #15
Real Men Wear Green
Don't panic.
 
Real Men Wear Green's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brighton, MA
Posts: 19,970
Real Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterReal Men Wear Green is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default

Rajon Rondo basically blew Bassy out tonight. Bassy seems to be able to create some lay-ups for himself but doesn't bring Rondo's defense, hustle, intelligence...wow, I may have been spectacularly wrong about Rondo, more wrong than I've ever been about anyone. Hope so.
Real Men Wear Green is offline   Reply With Quote
This NBA Basketball News Website Sponsored by:
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:53 PM.




NBA Basketball Forum Key Links:
InsideHoops Home
NBA Rumors
Basketball Blog
NBA Daily Recaps
NBA Videos
Fantasy Basketball
NBA Mock Draft
NBA Free Agents
All-Star Weekend
---
High School Basketball
Streetball
---
InsideHoops Twitter
Search Our Site













Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Terms of Use/Service | Privacy Policy