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Old 12-01-2009, 10:59 PM   #1
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Default Ray Rice - The Next Great One?

I didn't realize he was on pace for 90 receptions and 850 yards receiving to go along with 1200 yards rushing - that's over 2000 total yards.

You know how many people have rushed/received over 2000 in the last 10 years?

Edge had done it three times when he was in his prime.
Faulk had done it three times in his prime.
Jamal Lewis did it once in his prime year.
Ricky Williams did it once in his prime year.
Priest Holmes did it three times during his three prime years.
Tomlinson did it three times in his prime years.
Tiki Barber three times in his prime years.
Larry Johnson in his two prime years.
Steven Jackson in his prime year.
Brian Westbrook in his best year.

I think that's it.


Obviously all those guys at their peak were absolute beasts. It's obvious Ray Rice doesn't carry that name recognition like those guys on the list do, but he is putting in work this year and has a good chance to join that elite group of running backs to put up 2000 total yards in one season in the last 10 years.

And he's only in his first year as a starter, whereas basically all those guys on the list accomplished the feat later on in their careers when they were at their absolute peaks.

I don't know, but I think we should pay more attention to this guy. He might be one of the special ones.
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Welcome to 5 weeks ago. No offense. By the way Carbine, it's me Marlo.

Ray Rice is an elite talent. He has quickly become my favorite player in the NFL. I've been hyping him harder than any other player I can ever remember. He's on every single fantasy team I manage (5).

Can you imagine if Willis Mcgahee didn't vulture goal line touchdowns from him. He'd be the top back in the league (he's currently #2 in PPR leagues).

Btw, Primtime believes that Thomas Jones is a better running back RIGHT NOW than Ray Rice.

Did you listen to what Ray Lewis had to say about RR after the Steelers game? I've never heard someone as well respected as Ray Lewis have such high praises for another player especially one who is a second year player.
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Some more stats about Ray Rice.

He's currently on pace for 2,036 yards and 11 touchdowns to go along with 89 catches and a 5.0 ypc.

He currently has 7 touchdowns which is especially impressive because I believe all but 1 has been at least a 10 yard touchdown run or catch.

Also it's worth noting that he plays the Bengals and Steelers 4 times. This is worth considering because both defenses are ranked in the top 3 statistically in rushing defense.

Ray Rice put up more total yards vs the Steelers defense than any RB over the past 2 seasons.

Ray Rice hasn't fumbled the ball once this season.

He's been by far the most consistent player in fantasy football. In point per reception league he's the only non QB to produce at least 12 points in every single game this year.

The majority of his production has come against stout defenses (Bengals, Steelers, Vikings, Broncos, Patriots). The Ravens easily have the toughest schedule of any team in the NFL.

More to come later!
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that is pretty great but I would personally like it more if it was 1,500 rushing and 500 recieving...or even just 2,000 rushing and 0 recieving...the more running in that ratio the better I think...

don't want to get to the point where he is basically a WR that lines up as a HB...runners should be runners first IMO...

don't get me wrong though, he is awesome...

I dig his humble personality...or at least from the little that I have seen of him talk, he seems like a very humble person...just out to work hard and do whatever he can...
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1. Marshall Faulk (26) 2,429 1999 STL
2. Tiki Barber (30) 2,390 2005 NYG
3. LaDainian Tomlinson (24) 2,370 2003 SDG
4. Barry Sanders+ (29) 2,358 1997 DET
5. Steven Jackson (23) 2,334 2006 STL
6. LaDainian Tomlinson (27) 2,323 2006 SDG
7. Marcus Allen+ (25) 2,314 1985 RAI
8. Edgerrin James (22) 2,303 2000 IND
9. Priest Holmes (29) 2,287 2002 KAN
10. Jamal Lewis (24) 2,271 2003 BAL
11. Ahman Green (26) 2,250 2003 GNB
12. Eric Dickerson+ (24) 2,244 1984 RAM
13. O.J. Simpson+ (28) 2,243 1975 BUF
14. James Wilder (26) 2,229 1984 TAM
15. Marshall Faulk (25) 2,227 1998 IND
16. Terrell Davis (26) 2,225 1998 DEN
17. Ricky Williams (25) 2,216 2002 MIA
18. Eric Dickerson+ (23) 2,212 1983 RAM
19. Larry Johnson (27) 2,199 2006 KAN
20. Marshall Faulk (27) 2,189 2000 STL
21. Frank Gore (23) 2,180 2006 SFO
22. William Andrews (28) 2,176 1983 ATL
23. LaDainian Tomlinson (23) 2,172 2002 SDG
24. Priest Holmes (28) 2,169 2001 KAN
25. Barry Sanders+ (26) 2,166 1994 DET
26. Jamal Anderson (26) 2,165 1998 ATL
27. Deuce McAllister (25) 2,157 2003 NOR
28. Emmitt Smith (26) 2,148 1995 DAL
29. Marshall Faulk (28) 2,147 2001 STL
30. Edgerrin James (21) 2,139 1999 IND
31. Jim Brown+ (27) 2,131 1963 CLE
32. Tiki Barber (31) 2,127 2006 NYG
33. Walter Payton+ (23) 2,121 1977 CHI
34. Thurman Thomas+ (26) 2,113 1992 BUF
35. Priest Holmes (30) 2,110 2003 KAN
36. Garrison Hearst (27) 2,105 1998 SFO
37. Brian Westbrook (28) 2,104 2007 PHI
38. Tiki Barber (29) 2,096 2004 NYG
39. Larry Johnson (26) 2,093 2005 KAN
40. O.J. Simpson+ (26) 2,073 1973 BUF
41. Roger Craig (25) 2,066 1985 SFO
42. Walter Payton+ (30) 2,052 1984 CHI
43. Emmitt Smith (23) 2,048 1992 DAL
44. Thurman Thomas+ (25) 2,038 1991 BUF
45. Terrell Davis (25) 2,037 1997 DEN
46. William Andrews (26) 2,036 1981 ATL
Eric Dickerson+ (28) 2,036 1988 IND
Roger Craig (28) 2,036 1988 SFO
49. Barry Foster (24) 2,034 1992 PIT
Walter Payton+ (31) 2,034 1985 CHI
51. Edgerrin James (26) 2,031 2004 IND
52. Walter Payton+ (29) 2,028 1983 CHI
53. Eric Dickerson+ (26) 2,026 1986 RAM
54. Herschel Walker (26) 2,019 1988 DAL
55. Wilbert Montgomery (25) 2,006 1979 PHI





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The **** is that list for?
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The **** is that list for?
just all the players that have 2,000+ APY...

yeah, there are a few WRs in there and return men but you can hand pick the RBs out...it is mostly runners anyway...

I noticed you left Gore out, so I just looked that up real quick to see what else was there...

that's all...

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just all the players that have 2,000+ APY...

yeah, there are a few WRs in there and return men but you can hand pick the RBs out...it is mostly runners anyway...

I noticed you left Gore out, so I just looked that up real quick to see what else was there...

that's all...

It's mostly comprised of kick/punt returners.
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It's mostly comprised of kick/punt returners.
that's still everyone though...
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that is pretty great but I would personally like it more if it was 1,500 rushing and 500 recieving...or even just 2,000 rushing and 0 recieving...the more running in that ratio the better I think...

Being a 1000/1000 threat is probably more valuable and more impressive than someone who runs for 1500/500. When you got a guy who is a mis-match for linebackers/safeties, and can run for almost five yards a carry... that's special.
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ok I edited it to just single season yards from scrimage...

that should have weeded out all return yardage...

(although, return yardage is cool too I think)
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Being a 1000/1000 threat is probably more valuable and more impressive than someone who runs for 1500/500. When you got a guy who is a mis-match for linebackers/safeties, and can run for almost five yards a carry... that's special.
has anyone ever done that?...1000/1000?

I like RBs to run and WRs to recieve...

the Rams did win a ring with Faulk playing like that but after that it seems like just a bunch of "runners"...

you got teams with players like Jerome Bettis and Brandon Jacobs that won rings by just bashing defenses to death...that is what I like more really...and it doesn't have to be Giants like that but just guys that slam into the hole...and wear the defense down...
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Being a 1000/1000 threat is probably more valuable and more impressive than someone who runs for 1500/500. When you got a guy who is a mis-match for linebackers/safeties, and can run for almost five yards a carry... that's special.
No it's not, give me a guy that wear down the opposing line and reliable at the goaline. Also better with play-action and protecting the qb.
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Marshall is the only 1000/1000 guy I can remember, and he was the ultimate mismatch and THE reason the Rams offense was so great and diverse... if he was another typical 1500/500 player (which is still amazing, but different and far more common) that offense wouldn't have been as good.

And it's not like Ray Rice can't pound the rock. He's much like Jones Drew where people bounce off him. He isn't Reggie Bush back there... if you need tough yards Rice can get them for you.
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And it's not like Ray Rice can't pound the rock. He's much like Jones Drew where people bounce off him. He isn't Reggie Bush back there... if you need tough yards Rice can get them for you.
Not built like MJD, he actually gets the goaline carries (even when Fred Taylor was there), and he's much closer to a 1500/500 back.

Sorry, if you ask me if I want a prime LT vs Faulk, it's not even close. Same with MJD vs Rice this year...
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