Bottom line: Tavaris Jackson couldn't do much worse.
At 2-4 Minnie is a postseason longshot with over half the season still to go. They have a great runningback, excellent weapons at receiver, the d is seventh in yards per game and 11th in points allowed per game. And that 11th in ppg allowed is a stat accumulated with a Quarterback who leads the league in interceptions. When your RB is annually in the convo of the league's best, one of your WRs is destined for the Hall (though to be fair, he's been there for two games) and you have another who's a TD threat every time he touches the ball, and you have a quality d, yet your record is 2-4...that's when it's fair to take a hard look at that QB.
And when that QB is tops in INTs (10) and 30th in rating (68)...it's approaching no-brainer territory when it comes to the question of "what's wrong?"
We could look at the excuses. He didn't get any training camp and he may be distracted by the Sterger issue. But which of those two isn't his fault? I do believe that he still has a passion to play football but I question the connection between that passion and his work ethic. Prior to the stupid melodrama of 3 players going down to Mississippi to beg him to come back he was hanging out with some HS football team leisurely tossing a few passes while the rest of the NFL (well, except for Albert Haynesworth) was hard at work getting ready for the new season. Here we have a guy that's 40 years old coming off of offseason surgery and the usual will he/won't he? retirement stupidness. You'd think that if he's going to be QB for a team that's talking Superbowl in the preseason he'd do his best to get ready and earn the 12 mil (or whatever) he's being paid.
But no, the gang of enablers in Minnie and Favre's own combo of ego and laziness think that he can come back at any time and play like a 3-time MVP. So far? Losingly wrong.
You really don't even need all of that analysis though, there are two things saying that Favre's time at the top may be up:
1. He's old.
2. He's bad.
Those two reasons, individually, have ended a number of careers. Teamed together, why is Favre invulnerable? Wake up, Minnesota.
He,s old and he's bad but he just had his best statistical season of his career last year. What is honestly holding him back this year? If anything he has better weapons. Let him find his groove over the next couple games.
The bucs and seahawks are tops in the nfc right now. Do you actually think either of them will keep it up? There's no way. The bears are also falling apart. Minnie will grab a wild card spot.
So the lack of preparation (no training camp) and wear and tear that comes with aging doesn't bother you at all? Randy Moss came there because he got traded. Tavaris Jackson may not thrill him but I guarantee 3 catches for 30 yards doesn't make him happy either (there was also a TD, but Moss will always find the end zone at least once for you).
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He,s old and he's bad but he just had his best statistical season of his career last year. What is honestly holding him back this year? If anything he has better weapons. Let him find his groove over the next couple games.
The bucs and seahawks are tops in the nfc right now. Do you actually think either of them will keep it up? There's no way. The bears are also falling apart. Minnie will grab a wild card spot.
Isn't it a bit late to be talking about "finding his grove" after 6 games? Last year he had his best stats but that low INT # was definitely an anomaly compared to his career and unlike everyone else he had no training camp, instead getting ankle surgery in the offseason. We hear complaints about the elbow and he's generally shown symptoms of being old. This is not the same guy that won MVPs, or even the same player we saw last season. This is a player who is fighting his age, and he's doing it the wrong way with no training camp. He's almost always been a high-risk player (last season being the low-int exception) but now we aren't seeing the compensatory high reward.
Doesnt help that Moss has gotten more reps in practice with TJax than he has with Favre, who is typically limited or out of practice during the week. They've gotta get something rolling, even if it's just stop routes like seen in the Dallas game (6 targets, 5 catches). They had the opportunity to throw it downfield more last night than against the Cowboys pass rush and Favre just wasn't looking in his direction.
2 TDs in 3 games is nice, but as RMWG said, that's almost a given no matter what. Now it's time to start getting some yardage.
No they should keep him on the field. They put their entire season on him, no sense in turning around now after only 6 games. They very easily could have made a move for Donovan McNabb, but chose to wait for Favre to make his "Decision".
as trent dilfer said last night, (i'll paraphrase) childress made two trips in two seasons begging the guy to play for him then you try and tweak his game to fit your version of a system brett favre has been playing for 20 years, he's forgotten more about this system than childress ever knew
No they should keep him on the field. They put their entire season on him, no sense in turning around now after only 6 games. They very easily could have made a move for Donovan McNabb, but chose to wait for Favre to make his "Decision".
Then too bad they didn't go for McNabb, but continuing to play Favre regardless of how he performs on the field and how little he prepares off of it isn't the right way to run a team. Would anyone else on the team be allowed to play this poorly, barely practice due to injury, and still get complete job security? Around the entire NFL, the only guys I could see getting away with this are Manning, Brady, and Brees. None of whom are as old as Favre.
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as trent dilfer said last night, (i'll paraphrase) childress made two trips in two seasons begging the guy to play for him then you try and tweak his game to fit your version of a system brett favre has been playing for 20 years, he's forgotten more about this system than childress ever knew
Actually Favre has never been a particularly cerebral QB. Young Favre would throw into multiple coverages all the time and just trust in his arm to beat the speed of the defenders. Part of why he was normally such a high-INT QB. Most of his interceptions are just bad decisions.
But I will agree that his Favre obsession with all the begging needs to stop.
lol Moss is opening it up for the most dynamic player in the league, percy harvin
the only problem is the INTs, and if it continues maybe play TJack one game to see how he does
Moss creating opportunities for other receivers? No way! /sarcasm
Sometimes it's nice when he gets his too. These 30-yard, 55-yard games.. Yeah, it's time to rip a few off. He's too damn close in a lot of different categories and I want to see them all fall.
He's not bad ,he's just a ****ing idiot. He plays with absolutely no regard to the ball. Can you imagine if they allowed Michael Vick the right to play like that? He's throw for HOF like stats, he'd keep the Eagles in every game, and he'd win half lose half because he turned the ball over a billion times. He'd be a black Farve sans ***** pics.
On topic: I think they should consider it if he keeps throwing picks but I doubt they'll bench him eventually. Like Sarcastic said, they believe Brett is their guy because they had the opportunities to land other QB's but chose to stick with Brett Favre. They certainly won't give up on him halfway through the season. IIt's too bad because this team is so talented. Great receiving core and one of the best backs in the game in Adrian Peterson.
T-Jack is terrible, and Favre along with a lot of other QB's have shitty games like this occasionally, altho Favre has a lot of issues adding to his age and playing shitty. he still EASILY gives them the better chance to win over Tarvaris as long as he can play and throw it.
you all here put WAY too much value/stock in big names. the Vikiings have always under-achieved, and they'll under-achieve even more with Moss added to AP, Favre, etc. hype expectations. also pretty tired of hearing the MOss hype here even when he doesn't do much, and no he wasn't the main reason why Harvin was open, any other #1 would've taken the top CB away to be covered, leaving Harvin open in the same situation against lesser CB's. its really about multi WR sets and how opposing CB's trickle down from the top receiver to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options which SOME teams take big advantages of...not the Moss factor like everyone pretends to assume. Moss even gets 1 on 1 coverage pretty often...
anyways the other thing i hate about Minny is their OC's play calling. its so generic, and there is almost no creativity its a huge reason why they've under-achieved for a while now imo.
Would you consider benching Brett Favre?
