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Old 01-13-2011, 07:33 PM   #1
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Default Offensive Rebounds, Defense, and less 3 pointers

Is it safe to say that these are the areas the Knicks need to work on? We know under pringles we have no defense. However I figure after next season he may be out of a job in NY.

Offensive rebounds are very essential in games. I wish Amare had more help in the paint to improve this problem with lack of O.R's

And less is more sometimes. The Knicks have a very bad pringles habit of shooting more 3's than they need to. There is no reason to pass up solid 15 footers for 3's that may not go into the net.

What's everyones opinion?
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Old 01-13-2011, 07:50 PM   #2
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Default Re: Offensive Rebounds, Defense, and less 3 pointers

Offense wasn't a problem at all.

They shot close to 50% from deep their last game.

The amount of threes didn't bother me, since most were pretty open looks.

The mid range game isn't a problem at all.

The guys who have it, shoot it.

Chandler, Amar'e, and Felton have been hitting the mid range jumper pretty well.

It very hard to win a game give up over 50 points in the paint.

Mozgov once again should have played.

Nobody contested shots is the reason why they lost.

1 block? For a team that averages 7? Clear difference in the game.

It's better than uncontested layups.
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Old 01-13-2011, 09:47 PM   #3
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Default Re: Offensive Rebounds, Defense, and less 3 pointers

Defense was the main problem but offense was a problem too. The team was absolutely cold before Shawne Williams caught fire. Defensively, the problems there are obvious. No size. So everyone has to scramble trying to help each other on D. Therefore, nobody's in position for rebounds. And even if they are, they're way too small and stretch armstrong Andrei Kirilenko tips it back to D-Will.

But offensively, there was a huge problem too. The offense turns to shit when Felton sits. Nobody can get in the paint and create plays. It's just passing the ball around the perimeter like a hot potato till someone finally chucks a contested 3 because it's the only shot available. Even when Amare's on the court, it still doesn't look good without Felton cause nobody's using him right. This is where the team misses Gallinari. Gallo when being aggressive can maneuver around the defense and get Amare dunks or draw fouls. And Chandler was just awful. He's so limited. He has like two moves: 1. One or two dribbles, pull-up mid-range jumper 2. Stepback, jumper
Doesn't matter if the defense is playing him loose or tight. Those are the moves he uses. If he can't get that move or there's no WIDE OPEN lane he can drive through, he's gonna engage in the fun game of hot potato with the rest of his teammates, just casually passing it to each other. Bell noticed how uncomfortable Chandler was trying to handle the ball and easily picked off one of his passes. I think Chandler is good at give-and-go's and spot-up jumpers. But there needs to be someone that can create offensive opportunities out there. Chandler's not useful without someone that can go out and create looks for him.
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Old 01-14-2011, 12:24 AM   #4
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Default Re: Offensive Rebounds, Defense, and less 3 pointers

The problem is that D'antoni teams are completely dependant upon their point guards creating the offense. If you don't believe me, look at phoenix when Nash wasn't playing (I'm speaking of before Dragic). Barbosa was the man because of his steals and quickness. But if it turned into a half court game, it was the Nash show or bust. Everyone waits for the ball to come to them to hit the three. Sounds familiar? Same as when we (the Knicks) go into half court sets, do we really look like we know what we're doing in the half court? Its typically Felton to Amare or someone being wide open for a layup or three ball. That's the system we play. Fortunately Fields, Gallo, and Chandler move well without the ball. if they didn't it would be how it was when Zach and Curry were on the floor: compacted, predictable, and with little room for anyone to operate...We desperately need more rebounds and a back up point. I wonder if the DIY network can run this renovation, lol.
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Default Re: Offensive Rebounds, Defense, and less 3 pointers

Pretty much...get a a reliable post guy who doesn't have to score and a serviceable backup.

Where is Earl Barron and Rafer at these days.

Donnie get on it.
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Theyre literally fair game now.You don't even have to trade for them. It's pretty much a phone call away.
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:19 PM   #7
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Theyre literally fair game now.You don't even have to trade for them. It's pretty much a phone call away.
Yup, I'm figuring Donnie is waiting to see how the Melo situation pans out first.

But getting these two don't hurt that one bit.
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I haven't seen the stats but I feel like we allow too many offensive rebounds to our opponents. That's a major problem imo.

If someone knows where to find this stat, I'll rep
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Default Re: Offensive Rebounds, Defense, and less 3 pointers

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I haven't seen the stats but I feel like we allow too many offensive rebounds to our opponents. That's a major problem imo.

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Just look at any box score, whether it's from espn, foxsports, nba.com, or whoever your favorite sports sites is.

BTW Utah didn't kill us on the offensive glass, they got 3 or 4 more, but the points in the paint was over 50.
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Just look at any box score, whether it's from espn, foxsports, nba.com, or whoever your favorite sports sites is.

BTW Utah didn't kill us on the offensive glass, they got 3 or 4 more, but the points in the paint was over 50.

No I mean the season totals...
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We need Amare to kick it out when he picks up a double to the open guy he doesn't do that.
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Default Re: Offensive Rebounds, Defense, and less 3 pointers

Tonights horrific looking game against the lowly Kings is a bigger reason for the Knicks to take LESS 3 POINTERS!!!!!! Absolutely no excuse here. The Knicks, Amare, Pringles, all of them, played like absolute sh!+! There is no excuse why the Knicks shouldn't have driven down the lane more and drawn more fouls. I am beside myself watching this garbage pringles calls his style of basketball.
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:00 PM   #13
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Owned on the glass by the lowly Kings. Cousins was too big and Dalembert too long.

Mozgov isnt that bad. He needs to get in.
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Default Re: Offensive Rebounds, Defense, and less 3 pointers

They missed way more from 2 point land, they missed over 60 shots, only 20 were three's.

The three's taken were not the problem.

The Kings actually have what we need.....a low post presence.

That's what the difference was, Dalembert, someone who can block shots no matter how many fouls he has, and get the rebound.

The Knicks missed a ton of layups, playing scared to get blocked.
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And in the 4th, Dally DID own Amar'e. That guy can block and rebound and he's an UFA this summer also.
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