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Old 06-14-2011, 08:08 AM   #1
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Default Difference between 1st and 2nd scorers on championship teams in the playoffs(00's/10'

I wanted to look this up, and found it surprising that the gap between Kobe and Gasol's playoff scoring averages in '09 was the biggest. Still impressive that the gap between Dirk and Terry was the second biggest between the top 2 playoff scorers on a championship team in the 00's/10's. I also found it surprising that the gap between Rip and Chauncey was as big as it was in 2004.

2009 Lakers- 11.9 ppg difference
1.Kobe- 30.2 ppg
2.Gasol- 18.3 ppg

2011 Mavs- 10.2 ppg difference
1.Dirk- 27.7 ppg
2.Jason Terry- 17.5 ppg

2003 Spurs- 10 ppg difference
1.Duncan- 24.7 ppg
2.Parker- 14.7 ppg

2006 Heat- 10 ppg difference
1.Wade- 28.4 ppg
2.Shaq- 18.4 ppg

2000 Lakers- 9.6 ppg difference
1.Shaq- 30.7 ppg
2.Kobe- 21.1 ppg

2010 Lakers- 9.6 ppg difference
1.Kobe- 29.2 ppg
2.Gasol- 19.6 ppg

2004 Pistons- 5.1 ppg difference
Hamilton- 21.5 ppg
Billups- 16.4 ppg

2005 Spurs- 2.8 ppg difference
Duncan- 23.6 ppg
Manu- 20.8 ppg

2002 Lakers- 1.9 ppg difference
Shaq- 28.5 ppg
Kobe- 26.6 ppg

2007 Spurs- 1.4 ppg difference
Duncan- 22.2 ppg
Parker- 20.8 ppg

2001 Lakers- 1 ppg difference
Shaq- 30.4 ppg
Kobe- 29.4 ppg

2008 Celtics- 0.7 ppg
Garnett- 20.4 ppg
Pierce- 19.7 ppg
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Old 06-14-2011, 08:30 AM   #2
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Can we also do one for the losing teams? I start with the 1st and 2nd best scorer on the Miami Heat in 2011....

1. Wade 26.5 PPG
2. Bosh 18.5 PPG
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Old 06-14-2011, 08:33 AM   #3
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Can we also do one for the losing teams? I start with the 1st and 2nd best scorer on the Miami Heat in 2011....

1. Wade 26.5 PPG
2. Bosh 18.5 PPG

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Old 06-14-2011, 08:38 AM   #4
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2007

james 22ppg
gooden 12.8 ppg

2008

kobe 25.7 ppg
gasol 14.7ppg

2010

pierce 18 ppg
kg 15.3 ppg

2009

hedo 18ppg
shard 17.4ppg

2006

dirk 22.8ppg
terry 22ppg


and in 2009 kobe had 32ppg not 30ppg
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Old 06-14-2011, 08:40 AM   #5
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Default Re: Difference between 1st and 2nd scorers on championship teams in the playoffs(00's/10'

What's the biggest ever?

Off top of my head I'm thinking MJ in '98 (+15.6 ppg) and Hakeem in '94 (+15.1 ppg).

Kobe also had the highest separation in assists between him and the next guy (led team by over 3 assists/game, he was their only real playmaker). His on/off +/- was also pretty insane during that run (due to poor bench), higher than even LeBron's with the Cavs that year.
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Old 06-14-2011, 08:42 AM   #6
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Can we also do one for the losing teams? I start with the 1st and 2nd best scorer on the Miami Heat in 2011....

1. Wade 26.5 PPG
2. Bosh 18.5 PPG

Where's Lebron?
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Where's Lebron?

This was before he joined Miami, oh wait..
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Old 06-14-2011, 08:48 AM   #8
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Where's Lebron?

He was 3rd, but in fairness to Mario Chalmers, if he had played 44 minutes per game in the finals he would have averaged more points than LeBron.

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Old 06-14-2011, 08:52 AM   #9
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2007

james 22ppg
gooden 12.8 ppg

2008

kobe 25.7 ppg
gasol 14.7ppg

2010

pierce 18 ppg
kg 15.3 ppg

2009

hedo 18ppg
shard 17.4ppg

2006

dirk 22.8ppg
terry 22ppg


and in 2009 kobe had 32ppg not 30ppg

I said playoffs, not exclusively finals.

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What's the biggest ever?

Off top of my head I'm thinking MJ in '98 (+15.6 ppg) and Hakeem in '94 (+15.1 ppg).

Kobe also had the highest separation in assists between him and the next guy (led team by over 3 assists/game, he was their only real playmaker). His on/off +/- was also pretty insane during that run (due to poor bench), higher than even LeBron's with the Cavs that year.

Also, Jordan and Pippen in '93, MJ averaged 35.1 ppg and Pippen averaged 20.1 ppg. Oddly, the difference was also 15 ppg in '92.(34.5 vs 19.5). 12.5 ppg gap between Dream and Drexler in '95 too(33 ppg vs 20.5 ppg).

Kareem also averaged 31.9 ppg in 1980, Lakers 2nd leading scorer that run was Jamaal Wilkes at 20.3 ppg. Bird also averaged 27.5 ppg on the 1984 Celtics, while DJ was 2nd during that run at 16.6 ppg.

Not a surprise, but Rick Barry also averaged 28.2 ppg during the Wariors 1975 title run, Wilkes was 2nd on the team at 15 ppg.

It appears the biggest gap is MJ and Pippen in '98, I'll check some of the 50's teams laters, I already know that the gap was never that big on Russell's Celtics teams which were balanced offensively.

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What's the biggest ever?

Off top of my head I'm thinking MJ in '98 (+15.6 ppg) and Hakeem in '94 (+15.1 ppg).

Kobe also had the highest separation in assists between him and the next guy (led team by over 3 assists/game, he was their only real playmaker). His on/off +/- was also pretty insane during that run (due to poor bench), higher than even LeBron's with the Cavs that year.

i think it was rick barry he had 30ppg and the other guy 11ppg


edit just read you said playoffs not finals
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Old 06-14-2011, 09:20 AM   #11
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what about Wilt?
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Old 06-14-2011, 09:25 AM   #12
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It's also surprising to find out how rare 30+ ppg playoff runs on title teams have been. These are the only ones unless I'm forgetting someone.

1.1993 Michael Jordan- 35.1 ppg
2.1992 Michael Jordan- 34.5 ppg
3.1995 Hakeem Olajuwon- 33 ppg
4.1998 Michael Jordan- 32.4 ppg
5.1980 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar- 31.9 ppg
6.1991 Michael Jordan- 31.1 ppg
7.1997 Michael Jordan- 31.1 ppg
8.2000 Shaquille O'Neal- 30.7 ppg
9.1996 Michael Jordan- 30.7 ppg
10.2000 Shaquille O'Neal- 30.4 ppg
11.2009 Kobe Bryant- 30.2 ppg

Amazing that only 5 players have done it, and I didn't know that Hakeem's 33 ppg in '95 was the 3rd highest scoring average ever in a championship playoff run.

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what about Wilt?

He wasn't the leading scorer in the playoffs on either of the championship teams he played on.
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He wasn't the leading scorer in the playoffs on either of the championship teams he played on.
Amazing!
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Old 06-14-2011, 11:33 AM   #14
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I wanted to look this up, and found it surprising that the gap between Kobe and Gasol's playoff scoring averages in '09 was the biggest. Still impressive that the gap between Dirk and Terry was the second biggest between the top 2 playoff scorers on a championship team in the 00's/10's. I also found it surprising that the gap between Rip and Chauncey was as big as it was in 2004.

2009 Lakers- 11.9 ppg difference
1.Kobe- 30.2 ppg
2.Gasol- 18.3 ppg

2011 Mavs- 10.2 ppg difference
1.Dirk- 27.7 ppg
2.Jason Terry- 17.5 ppg

2003 Spurs- 10 ppg difference
1.Duncan- 24.7 ppg
2.Parker- 14.7 ppg

2006 Heat- 10 ppg difference
1.Wade- 28.4 ppg
2.Shaq- 18.4 ppg

2000 Lakers- 9.6 ppg difference
1.Shaq- 30.7 ppg
2.Kobe- 21.1 ppg

2010 Lakers- 9.6 ppg difference
1.Kobe- 29.2 ppg
2.Gasol- 19.6 ppg

2004 Pistons- 5.1 ppg difference
Hamilton- 21.5 ppg
Billups- 16.4 ppg

2005 Spurs- 2.8 ppg difference
Duncan- 23.6 ppg
Manu- 20.8 ppg

2002 Lakers- 1.9 ppg difference
Shaq- 28.5 ppg
Kobe- 26.6 ppg

2007 Spurs- 1.4 ppg difference
Duncan- 22.2 ppg
Parker- 20.8 ppg

2001 Lakers- 1 ppg difference
Shaq- 30.4 ppg
Kobe- 29.4 ppg


2008 Celtics- 0.7 ppg
Garnett- 20.4 ppg
Pierce- 19.7 ppg

I wish I was old enough to remember that. That must have been an unstoppable combo.
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Old 06-14-2011, 11:37 AM   #15
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What's the biggest ever?

Off top of my head I'm thinking MJ in '98 (+15.6 ppg) and Hakeem in '94 (+15.1 ppg).

Kobe also had the highest separation in assists between him and the next guy (led team by over 3 assists/game, he was their only real playmaker). His on/off +/- was also pretty insane during that run (due to poor bench), higher than even LeBron's with the Cavs that year.

You knew those numbers off the top of your head? lol.

Nice thread, Shaqattack. Kinda surprised the scoring gap between Pau and Kobe was 10ppg. Crazy thing is, this wasn't even prime Kobe, lol.

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