I always see these little battles and shots taken over the people who say that "tanking" is what we need to do and the other side that says tanking is disgraceful pretty much. Here's the way I see it. There have been times in NBA history where GOOD, high playoff level teams are underperforming because of injuries, players clashing, new coaching, etc etc... any number of reasons. And then they get to the point late in the season where they know they won't make the playoffs so they start benching their vets and good players for two reasons.. The first being because since they know they aren't reaching the playoffs at that point, they would rather give their young guys some experience. And then, it also couldn't hurt to get a higher pick in the lottery. That's my first kind of tanking.
2nd being on a team like ours, who even with all its pieces together and healthy is NOT a playoff team at all. So that's why I like what Casey said at the beginning of the year. I don't remember his exact words but it was something along the lines of that he knows that realistically this is a team that doesn't have a ton of talent, and needs to make moves over the next few years to be a legitimate competitor. So that his goals are to develop the young guys, define everyone's roles, and to improve the defense. It's not really "tanking" per say. It's just accepting that what we have is not good enough, working on improving the guys who need it the most since we already know exactly what we have in guys like Bargs/Barbosa/Calderon, and giving us a chance to get better guys in the near future instead of being forced to ride out this unit until their contracts expire and end up in playoff no-mans land where we finish as a 10-11 seed year after year.
yeah exactly. I mean I can understand the fans of decent teams being upset when the team does have a shot to make lets say a 5 or 6 seed but opts to play the younger guys in favor of just dropping out of the race and blowing it up the following season.. But on a team like ours who wouldn't make the playoffs regardless of who's out there on the court, I don't understand the people who are so heavily in favor of piling up meaningless wins.
yeah exactly. I mean I can understand the fans of decent teams being upset when the team does have a shot to make lets say a 5 or 6 seed but opts to play the younger guys in favor of just dropping out of the race and blowing it up the following season.. But on a team like ours who wouldn't make the playoffs regardless of who's out there on the court, I don't understand the people who are so heavily in favor of piling up meaningless wins.
We should be aiming for a few wins as possible this season, I'll be fine if we do manage to win some because of young players developing and having a good game.. but I absolutely do not want to win because Barbosa or Calderon or Klezia actually shows up for once.
Our team will not make the playoffs whether we try or not, so we might as well not try and get a good draft pick instead being stuck with a late lottery pick like we usually do because management thinks we can somehow squeeze into the playoffs.
"Tanking" is all in the hands of Colangelo. Players and coaches will never lose on purpose. Everyone knows that and that's never what I meant.
Right now, the Raptors need to get rid of Barbosa and Calderon to push the tank along. Neither has a future in Toronto and both are playing somewhat well lately. You don't want to be winning games due to your veterans playing well. Give Bayless the starting spot, sign some scrubby backup PG to split minutes with Carter and gives Forbes more time as the backup SG.
"Tanking" is all in the hands of Colangelo. Players and coaches will never lose on purpose. Everyone knows that and that's never what I meant.
Right now, the Raptors need to get rid of Barbosa and Calderon to push the tank along. Neither has a future in Toronto and both are playing somewhat well lately. You don't want to be winning games due to your veterans playing well. Give Bayless the starting spot, sign some scrubby backup PG to split minutes with Carter and gives Forbes more time as the backup SG.
If you've been reading the forum at all this season, everyone doesn't know that. Some have absolutely no idea.
I can't get most Raptors games this season. Uploaders went tired of such a bad team, and I guess they were rarely downloaded last season I watched some of the Celtics game live.
I don't think that Valanciunas and another rookie will be enough to be relevant. If we look to Philly, that don't have a superstar either... only Calderon and Bargnani are at the level of any of their rotation players. Even Evan Turner in his second year looks more mature than Derozan.
Maybe we can get another piece if we trade Calderon (and give him a chance to compete). But I am afraid that we are still another 4 or 5 draft picks away. And I am afraid that we won't get any closer with BC as our general manager.
I can't get most Raptors games this season. Uploaders went tired of such a bad team, and I guess they were rarely downloaded last season I watched some of the Celtics game live.
I don't think that Valanciunas and another rookie will be enough to be relevant. If we look to Philly, that don't have a superstar either... only Calderon and Bargnani are at the level of any of their rotation players. Even Evan Turner in his second year looks more mature than Derozan.
Maybe we can get another piece if we trade Calderon (and give him a chance to compete). But I am afraid that we are still another 4 or 5 draft picks away. And I am afraid that we won't get any closer with BC as our general manager.
this is probably the most mature statement this kid has made on this forum. He finally realizes where we are as a team. Soon he will also realize that bargs will not get us anywhere close to where Philly is right now.
I was criticizing BC while you were still licking his a$$.
Not even Lebron would get us there at this point.
In all honesty I beg to differ. Lebron took a below average Cleveland team to the number 1 seed in the Eastern Conference. When he left, they instantly became arguably the worst team in the NBA. Give Lebron this exact same roster sans Bargnani
Calderon/Bayless/Carter
Derozan/Barbosa/Forbes
LBJ/James Johnson/Butler
Ed Davis/filler/Kleiza
Amir/Mcgloire/Gray/Alabi
And I actually think when it's all said and done, that team would be at worst a top 5 seed in the East with the possibility of Calderon becoming an all-star. That's not to say we have much talent on our current roster, but just that Lebron James is that much of a dominant impact player.
Defining: "Tanking"
yeah exactly. I mean I can understand the fans of decent teams being upset when the team does have a shot to make lets say a 5 or 6 seed but opts to play the younger guys in favor of just dropping out of the race and blowing it up the following season.. But on a team like ours who wouldn't make the playoffs regardless of who's out there on the court, I don't understand the people who are so heavily in favor of piling up meaningless wins.
I watched some of the Celtics game live. 
