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Old 12-29-2012, 07:12 AM   #1
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Default People overrate Durant's supporting cast

First off you have Westbrook, who is one of the worst playmaking point guards in the league. Not only that, but he has become the second player in league history to play in more than 80% of his teams games and shoot less than 40% from the field while averaging >18 FGA. Antoine Walker is the other.

Now we get to Ibaka. Ibaka is a great, great shotblocker and one of the better defenders in the league; although his on the ball defense leaves something to be desired. However his offensive game is an absolute joke. He's a solid knockdown shooter, but he can't create to save his life. He has 171 made FG's this year, 129 of those are assisted. Another 10 have come on transition dunks. So he has scored a grant total of 32 baskets this year that weren't assisted or on fast breaks.

Sefolosha. Yet again, another elite defender. Offensively? He has 70 made baskets on the year, 60 of which have been assisted. Another 3 in transition. So he has made 7 total baskets this year which weren't assisted or on fastbreaks.

Perkins might be the worst player in the NBA

Before joining the Thunder, Kevin Martin was considered to be a chucking flopper and possibly the worst defender in the league. He was also a "career loser"

Thabeet was the bust of all busts

And Nick Collison is IMO the most underrated player in the NBA, but he's a backup PF that plays 19 mpg, almost all of which is dirty work.
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:15 AM   #2
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Still better than the 07 Cavs supporting cast.
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:17 AM   #3
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Still better than the 07 Cavs supporting cast.

Care to post LeBron's game by game numbers in those 2007 playoffs along with the Finals scores?
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:17 AM   #4
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RG's main account for the last year is banned recently. Then CF86 is banned. I hope you're the next one.
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RG's main account for the last year is banned recently. Then CF86 is banned. I hope you're the next one.

The hell did I do? I don't spam the forum, post on alts, or break Jeff's rules/try to exploit the board.
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:22 AM   #6
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Default Re: People overrate Durant's supporting cast

Nah not true hes got a good supporting cast and has pretty much had a solid-good supporting cast his whole career.

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Before joining the Thunder, Kevin Martin was considered to be a chucking flopper and possibly the worst defender in the league. He was also a "career loser"
Hes not a career losers hes simply never played on a elite team like he is now, the Rockets were solid but had injuries and the Kings other than that one season where they got Bonzi Wells during the year had not been good since Webber left.

The only point I agree with you might be this one
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they are terrible at the C spot
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:41 AM   #7
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There is only one thing wrong with Russell Westbrooks supporting cast and his name is Kendrick Perkins.

Id rather let Thabeet start provided he can catch the ball.
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:11 AM   #8
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Default Re: People overrate Durant's supporting cast

So two elite defenders aren't also isolation scorers when they play with three great scoring perimeter players....... and all NBA guard who's aggression is a large reason the Thunder are so feared by other teams...... doesn't shoot as well as you would like in the process of making it a much better than they could be without him.

Ibaka should be taking guys off the dribble....Thabo needs a few step back threes... and the guy who is a superstar for nothing but his ability to attack should go against his nature and stop playing like the future Hall of Famer he may well be...and instead shoot for.....Andre Miller? 90 percent of the point guards in the NBA or Europe could probably shoot better on this team. 99.9999999999999 of them would make the team worse in the process though

Martin I suppose is overrated because of what people were saying in the past? so regardless of how well he plays in his current role he should get less credit because in a previous role( which by the way very few people watched him play) he was not highly regarded? if you aren't much of a franchise player as a couple of teams have tried to make him that means you're also overrated when you become a number 3 if not fourth best player on the team? he is to be judged by his failure in a role he may never play again? And not the role he plays now..... regardless of how amazingly he does it....

and one big man you think is awful and the other is the most underrated in the game?

Ok then. I don't think my presence is required in here going forward. have a great day pretending anyone needs to stand up for one of the most beloved and respected young players in the history of the NBA.....so badly..... that we complain about how well people do things that they aren't there to do in the first place.
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So two elite defenders aren't also isolation scorers when they play with three great scoring perimeter players....... and all NBA guard who's aggression is a large reason the Thunder are so feared by other teams...... doesn't shoot as well as you would like in the process of making it a much better than they could be without him.

Ibaka should be taking guys off the dribble....Thabo needs a few step back threes... and the guy who is a superstar for nothing but his ability to attack should go against his nature and stop playing like the future Hall of Famer he may well be...and instead shoot for.....Andre Miller? 90 percent of the point guards in the NBA or Europe could probably shoot better on this team. 99.9999999999999 of them would make the team worse in the process though

Martin I suppose is overrated because of what people were saying in the past? so regardless of how well he plays in his current role he should get less credit because in a previous role( which by the way very few people watched him play) he was not highly regarded? if you aren't much of a franchise player as a couple of teams have tried to make him that means you're also overrated when you become a number 3 if not fourth best player on the team? he is to be judged by his failure in a role he may never play again? And not the role he plays now..... regardless of how amazingly he does it....

and one big man you think is awful and the other is the most underrated in the game?

Ok then. I don't think my presence is required in here going forward. have a great day pretending anyone needs to stand up for one of the most beloved and respected young players in the history of the NBA.....so badly..... that we complain about how well people do things that they aren't there to do in the first place.

Chicago fan turned LeBron stan. Such a sad site to see.
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:15 AM   #10
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Default Re: People overrate Durant's supporting cast

You can nitpick in every single cast on the league and make a critic like this.
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Default Re: People overrate Durant's supporting cast

You can't really talk shit about anyone other than Perkins. All the important players on his team are pretty much elite when it comes to their role.

So Durant has a shitty C. That's a problem most top teams in the NBA have.
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:30 AM   #12
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Default Re: People overrate Durant's supporting cast

Its quite the opposite.. I think most of the people underrate his teammates more than overrate them.. Durant has one of the best if not the best teammates in the league.. So wtf is wrong with you OP.. Sucking Durant nuts too much huh?
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:42 AM   #14
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Default Re: People overrate Durant's supporting cast

His cast is pretty damn formidable. A top 2 point guard and superstar type teammate in Westbrook. The team has succeeded with Westbrook being aggressive, it gives them more balance, takes some pressure off Durant and allows Durant to focus on more than just scoring. One of the best scoring 6th men, if not the best in Kevin Martin who gives them 16 per game off the bench with the same kind of efficiency you love so much about Durant(65 TS%) and a legitimate 3rd option. True, he's the definition of one-dimensional, but his job is to score. Why else do you think they've seen no drop off trading a more versatile player in Harden for him? Ibaka is an elite shot blocker, perhaps the best weakside shot blocker in the league and he's improved as an all around player. He's still not the all around defender the blocks suggest, but his shot blocking definitely makes an impact. In addition to being an athletic finisher, he's also improved his jump shot over the last 2 years to become a productive offensive threat. He gives them almost 4 players averaging 15+ ppg at 14.4, and on great efficiency(57 FG%, 80 FT%) without needing the ball. With 3 scorers, what need does he have to create? Thabo is a defensive specialist who as a bonus knocks down 3s at 40%, while Collison is the guy who does the dirty work as you mentioned. Both are solid role players to have on a championship-caliber team.

The center position is a big weakness, and they don't go much more than 6-deep with solid contributors, but their top few players stand out so much that it's not a big issue.

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First off you have Westbrook, who is one of the worst playmaking point guards in the league. Not only that, but he has become the second player in league history to play in more than 80% of his teams games and shoot less than 40% from the field while averaging >18 FGA. Antoine Walker is the other.

The season isn't over. There's 54 games remaining, and he's shooting 39.9%. I'd be surprised if he actually did finish under 40%, but this is a very arbitrary stat. 18 FGA?
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:57 AM   #15
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LOL durant got the best supporting the cast in the entire league.. More so than lebron.

Westbrook dictates the thunders pace and aggression.. He is their most momentum generating or crushing force. Gotta take the good with the bad he's still the one winning games for you guys in the playoffs.
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