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Old 02-11-2013, 08:15 AM   #1
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Default All the riding and constant ATG talk makes the Nba almost impossible to follow!

I love watching the NBA. But I don't understand the constant obsession that the media and fans have with comparing players, saying one is better than the other and who's the ATG, who's top 10, who's the best forward who's the best big man. It's pathetic. It really is.

I don't know how the other US sports are (the nba is the only one I follow), but no other sport I watch constantly compares current players against each other and past greats. The media is the worst at it. I mean the last 2 years its been lebron this, lebron that. Before that Durant had a little phase, before that D-Rose. Before that Kobe. Stop it already! I mean you read tweets from renowned espn analysts saying ''Kyrie Irving is the best 6"3 guard ever". I mean what the actual F? He's in his second season ffs and he's already being compared to past ATG's. Every couple days you'll see an article comparing players, who's number 1, who's the ATG. The commentators do it. Pretty much every nba journalist does it. And the fans do it. I mean just look at this forum. It's a mess.

I try my hardest to JUST watch the games and not read any of the shite around it. But every time i peek on the espn website that's ALL i see. Same with this site.

How many articles or discussions are there regarding the tactical side of basketball. The technical side. The teamwork part of it. Its this constant fixation with superstars that makes it impossible to follow.

Rant over. just thought i'd get that off my chest
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:28 AM   #2
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Default Re: All the riding and constant ATG talk makes the Nba almost impossible to follow!

This is so true. Nit picking stats are also annoying.
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:41 AM   #3
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How many articles or discussions are there regarding the tactical side of basketball. The technical side. The teamwork part of it.

You can find this stuff on niche blogs/youtube channels. Not very popular, pretty dry stuff, but can make games a bit more interesting.
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:46 AM   #4
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You can find this stuff on niche blogs/youtube channels. Not very popular, pretty dry stuff, but can make games a bit more interesting.

Yea. to be honest I don't think I could ready long articles or analysis of all the in depth tactical things either. But during the games I'd like it if the commentators would spend less time riding the most fashionable players and talking a bit about the team play or what adjustments the coaches make or the little tactical battles that take place.
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:59 AM   #5
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You have a negative rep so your opinion means jack shit. Negged btw faqqot
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:03 AM   #6
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it's all good. I respect your opinion even though your negative rep is off the charts
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:07 AM   #7
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I love watching the NBA. But I don't understand the constant obsession that the media and fans have with comparing players, saying one is better than the other and who's the ATG, who's top 10, who's the best forward who's the best big man. It's pathetic. It really is.

I don't know how the other US sports are (the nba is the only one I follow), but no other sport I watch constantly compares current players against each other and past greats. The media is the worst at it. I mean the last 2 years its been lebron this, lebron that. Before that Durant had a little phase, before that D-Rose. Before that Kobe. Stop it already! I mean you read tweets from renowned espn analysts saying ''Kyrie Irving is the best 6"3 guard ever". I mean what the actual F? He's in his second season ffs and he's already being compared to past ATG's. Every couple days you'll see an article comparing players, who's number 1, who's the ATG. The commentators do it. Pretty much every nba journalist does it. And the fans do it. I mean just look at this forum. It's a mess.

I try my hardest to JUST watch the games and not read any of the shite around it. But every time i peek on the espn website that's ALL i see. Same with this site.

How many articles or discussions are there regarding the tactical side of basketball. The technical side. The teamwork part of it. Its this constant fixation with superstars that makes it impossible to follow.

Rant over. just thought i'd get that off my chest
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:17 AM   #8
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Basketball is a skilled based sport and more subjective than other sports. Stats in basketball can be manipulated to fit one's argument for a particular player they like while simultaneously denigrating another player.

But for example there are few to no (as far as I know) comparisons of athletes in the sport of track and field. It's more easily quantifiable. You cross the finish line first, second, third, and that's almost the end of the "debate." Usain Bolt is the best hands down because he beats his opposition. No argument. This quantifiable sport like sprinting leaves little to no room for debates

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Old 02-11-2013, 09:21 AM   #9
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Basketball is a skilled based sport and more subjective than other sports.

For example, there are few to no (as far as I know) comparisons of athletes in the sport of track and field. It's more easily quantifiable. You cross the finish line first, second, third, and that's almost the end of the "debate." Usain Bolt is the best hands down because he beats his opposition. No argument.

I agree 100% mate. Individual sports such as track and field like you mentioned or even Boxing are far easier to compare individuals. In basketball there are too many variables.

These debates about different eras can be really interesting. But it goes overboard. It's daily. In the media, during games and in discussions amongst fans. It's gotten unbearable now.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:27 AM   #10
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And it's becoming a damn near religion. We got Kobe Stans, LeBron Stans, and Jordan Stans, etc...

Reading this on this forum reminds me of jews vs muslims, black panthers vs KKK, conservatives vs liberals etc...
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:29 AM   #11
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And it's becoming a damn near religion. We got Kobe Stans, LeBron Stans, and Jordan Stans, etc...

Reading this on this forum reminds me of jews vs muslims, black panthers vs KKK, conservatives vs liberals etc...

no doubt. I mean these stans use SINGLE PLAYS or single games to discredit players. A guy can have 10 amazing games in a row, then misses a game winner in game 11 and all of a sudden he's completely useless and garbage.
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Agree completely
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:40 PM   #13
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:54 PM   #14
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I made a similar thread the other day.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...18#post8223518

I agree though, it is tiring.
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:00 PM   #15
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no doubt. I mean these stans use SINGLE PLAYS or single games to discredit players. A guy can have 10 amazing games in a row, then misses a game winner in game 11 and all of a sudden he's completely useless and garbage.

This is he worst.

Cherry picked stats drive me crazy. ESPN are gawds at doing that
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