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Old 02-21-2013, 09:24 PM   #1
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The mechanics of this rule is kinda weird to me. I understand the idea that u can't alter the ball on offense because the defense can't touch it due to goal tending, but what happens with a put-back dunk, especially on shots that barely rim out? Why isn't that considered offensive interference?

it's like the difference between throwing down the ball with force after the shot or lightly touching it in..

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Old 02-21-2013, 09:28 PM   #2
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If its over the basket it is...they just dont always call it. Once its not going in...once its no longer possible for it to roll in....you can go get it even if its partly over the basket.

What ive never been sure about is blocking a dunk. Amare blocked a dunk of Tim Duncans in I think 2005...Tim had reached inside the basket and Amare pinned it in his hand and forced it out. spurs fans here were calling it goaltending on here....but it never left tims hand. I guess thats the issue. It did look odd in super slow motion...just...being backed out of the rim....but I wasnt gonna admit that to the fans making a big deal out of it at the time.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:33 PM   #3
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If its over the basket it is...they just dont always call it. Once its not going in...once its no longer possible for it to roll in....you can go get it even if its partly over the basket.

What ive never been sure about is blocking a dunk. Amare blocked a dunk of Tim Duncans in I think 2005...Tim had reached inside the basket and Amare pinned it in his hand and forced it out. spurs fans here were calling it goaltending on here....but it never left tims hand. I guess thats the issue. It did look odd in super slow motion...just...being backed out of the rim....but I wasnt gonna admit that to the fans making a big deal out of it at the time.

ahhh ic ic....i don't understand how you would make that kind of judgement call especially on things like rim-outs tho that haven't left.

idk about that....but i think if it hasn't left your hands then it can still be contested, but i'm not 100% sure bout that.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:43 PM   #4
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If its over the basket it is...they just dont always call it. Once its not going in...once its no longer possible for it to roll in....you can go get it even if its partly over the basket.

What ive never been sure about is blocking a dunk. Amare blocked a dunk of Tim Duncans in I think 2005...Tim had reached inside the basket and Amare pinned it in his hand and forced it out. spurs fans here were calling it goaltending on here....but it never left tims hand. I guess thats the issue. It did look odd in super slow motion...just...being backed out of the rim....but I wasnt gonna admit that to the fans making a big deal out of it at the time.

Can't be goal-tending if the offensive player still has possession, dunk attempt. Unless it is pinned against the backboard. And obviously you have to make a play for the ball and not grab the rim or move the backboard.

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Old 02-21-2013, 10:22 PM   #5
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If its over the basket it is...they just dont always call it. Once its not going in...once its no longer possible for it to roll in....you can go get it even if its partly over the basket.

What ive never been sure about is blocking a dunk. Amare blocked a dunk of Tim Duncans in I think 2005...Tim had reached inside the basket and Amare pinned it in his hand and forced it out. spurs fans here were calling it goaltending on here....but it never left tims hand. I guess thats the issue. It did look odd in super slow motion...just...being backed out of the rim....but I wasnt gonna admit that to the fans making a big deal out of it at the time.


Seriously? That was a man block. One of the best playoff blocks I can remember. If that was called a goaltend that would be one of the worst calls ever.


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Old 02-21-2013, 10:30 PM   #6
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ahhh ic ic....i don't understand how you would make that kind of judgement call especially on things like rim-outs tho that haven't left.
For selfish reasons, I'd be in favor of switching to the international goaltending rule. I just hate crashing the boards, having a lane, then having to think about whether the ball's going to be legally dunkable. It'd be a lot easier (and probably more entertaining) if players could just always go for broke.
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:48 PM   #7
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For selfish reasons, I'd be in favor of switching to the international goaltending rule. I just hate crashing the boards, having a lane, then having to think about whether the ball's going to be legally dunkable. It'd be a lot easier (and probably more entertaining) if players could just always go for broke.

what do international rules say about defensive goaltending tho? I know the reason they made offensive interference is because defenders can't alter the ball when it's on the rim otherwise they would get a goaltend, so they would have to wait for the ball to come back down before they get it
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what do international rules say about defensive goaltending tho? I know the reason they made offensive interference is because defenders can't alter the ball when it's on the rim otherwise they would get a goaltend, so they would have to wait for the ball to come back down before they get it
International rules allow players from either team make contact with the ball after it'd initially hit the rim, creating a few moments per game where a bouncing ball may be able to be swatted off the rim before it falls in (or dunked home by the offensive player even if it's still above the cylinder or on the rim).
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:16 PM   #9
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International rules allow players from either team make contact with the ball after it'd initially hit the rim, creating a few moments per game where a bouncing ball may be able to be swatted off the rim before it falls in (or dunked home by the offensive player even if it's still above the cylinder or on the rim).


That's like some playground sh*t. No need for that in the NBA.
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:41 PM   #10
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That's like some playground sh*t. No need for that in the NBA.
It's something the NBA seemed serious about implementing soon. I'm supposing it was eventually thrown on the back burner though: http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...les-committee/

I didn't like the idea of it at first but I've warmed up to it as time has worn on. I thought it'd really change the game but I recall reading an article last fall stating the rule really only comes into a play two or three times per contest, if that. After watching years of Olympic play, that seems about right. Further, sometimes it might just be a matter of swatting a ball off the iron that was going to eventually come off the rim soon anyway.

I don't know. I don't have a problem with the rules we have now, but if they changed to the international side of things, I think I could learn to live with them.
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It's something the NBA seemed serious about implementing soon. I'm supposing it was eventually thrown on the back burner though: http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...les-committee/

I didn't like the idea of it at first but I've warmed up to it as time has worn on. I thought it'd really change the game but I recall reading an article last fall stating the rule really only comes into a play two or three times per contest, if that. After watching years of Olympic play, that seems about right. Further, sometimes it might just be a matter of swatting a ball off the iron that was going to eventually come off the rim soon anyway.

I don't know. I don't have a problem with the rules we have now, but if they changed to the international side of things, I think I could learn to live with them.

Yea, maybe I'd have to just see it in action first to make a judgement but just the sound of it makes me go
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Yea, maybe I'd have to just see it in action first to make a judgement but just the sound of it makes me go

but offensive interference in an NBA game makes a lot of people go wtf??

carlos boozer just got one tonite, but it seemed like he was just tipping it in, and seemed like he should've got that point. Idk it looks weird to me to see it live. Would've gone right past me if they hadn't called it.
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