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Old 02-28-2007, 08:52 PM   #1
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Default Iverson: Franchise Changer?

There are a select few players who you could place on any team and become instant contenders. Duncan, Kobe, Shaq to a certain extent comes to mind. But since Iverson who has never won a championship, while the three i listed above have 10 rings between them which comes to my point, If you placed The Answer on any team in the NBA, would that team become instant contenders?
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Old 02-28-2007, 08:53 PM   #2
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the answer is obvious just look at denver

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Old 02-28-2007, 08:57 PM   #3
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with a good supporting cast: yes, otherwise no
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:05 PM   #4
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why exactly is kobe on this list? At this point in time, there are exactly 2 players who make you a 50 win team. dirk and duncan.
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:07 PM   #5
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why exactly is kobe on this list? At this point in time, there are exactly 2 players who make you a 50 win team. dirk and duncan.
I agree, unless you get a Nash + D'antoni kind of situation.
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:19 PM   #6
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No one player makes you a fifty win team. It's much like politics in that a president gets blamed or praised for the economy when much of it is out of his control. Right now the Mavericks are the best organization in the NBA when you factor in owner/coaches/scouts/facilities they set themselves up to win, and the Spurs are right there with them as an organization. I don't mean to take anything away from Dirk, but if you trade him for KG I don't think the Wolves win close to 50. (I'm not a KG fan, would take Dirk over him in fact).

Jerry Krause was a moron, but he was right when he said organizations win. I believe Jordan was at his absolute peak from late '87 to late '89, and his teams won 50 & 48 games. He wasn't any better in '92 when they won 67, actually he was already slowing in all areas, but he had another star, and key role guys.

Denver has been decimated by injury and can't stop anyone. I thought there would be more of a turnaround at this point, but realistically there hasn't been a consistent line-up in place and they have enormous holes to fill.
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:27 PM   #7
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why exactly is kobe on this list? At this point in time, there are exactly 2 players who make you a 50 win team. dirk and duncan.

Where's the proof in that? Sure they've both been 50+ game winners throughout their careers, but they've also never been on any other teams besides the Spurs and Mavs. Sure it's nice to think that you could trade Dirk for JJ and the Hawks would win 50, but it's not necissarily true. It might be, but you don't know. And it's the same way with Duncan.
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:45 PM   #8
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AI on a defensive team (Bulls, Pistons, Spurs)---theyd instantly become title favorites if not already

on any decent team --- wouldnt be contenders but they'd have a shot on any given night to upset anyone.

on a bad team ---sixers all over again. he'd hafta ballhog again just to give them a shot.

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Old 02-28-2007, 09:48 PM   #9
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No one player makes you a fifty win team. It's much like politics in that a president gets blamed or praised for the economy when much of it is out of his control.

I disagree, but I'm not gonna get into that. :)
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:50 PM   #10
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There are a select few players who you could place on any team and become instant contenders. Duncan, Kobe, Shaq to a certain extent comes to mind.
Kobe doesn't belong there. period.
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:56 PM   #11
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Some people are kidding themselves.There is only 1 guy that you can place on any squad and your chances vastly improve---thats Shaq...still.Everybody else you have to surround them w/ the right pieces.
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Old 02-28-2007, 10:02 PM   #12
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Say Iverson went to the Clippers. Could far could he take that team? and my bad...biased kobe fan, sorry. i agree, shaq is the only player that you can place on a team and vastly improve along with duncan. besides them, i don't see anybody doing what they do. Come to think of it, probably no one guard can make a team a contender. Adds more proof big men are the key to championships
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Old 02-28-2007, 10:07 PM   #13
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with a good supporting cast: yes, otherwise no
um its the exact opposite. put ai on a ****tty team and the team might improve, such as the bobcats and the hawks. otherwise iverson will need the ball alot and he will takeshots away from other players.
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Old 02-28-2007, 10:09 PM   #14
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You can put ANY star on the Clippers, and they'd turn into contenders. Because they're a solid team already. A lineup of Iverson/Mobley/Maggette/Brand/Kaman with a great bench? You're kidding yourself if you think they'd win any less than 55.

I better example would be trading a perimeter player for JJ and seeing if he can guide the Hawks, or trading a bigman for Zach Randolph, and seeing if he can lead the Blazers.
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Old 02-28-2007, 10:12 PM   #15
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You can put ANY star on the Clippers, and they'd turn into contenders. Because they're a solid team already. A lineup of Iverson/Mobley/Maggette/Brand/Kaman with a great bench? You're kidding yourself if you think they'd win any less than 55.

I better example would be trading a perimeter player for JJ and seeing if he can guide the Hawks, or trading a bigman for Zach Randolph, and seeing if he can lead the Blazers.


yea...27-29 is pretty solid :rollingeyes:
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