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Old 07-18-2007, 11:43 AM   #1
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Default Not Another FIBA Thread:

it really doesn't belong in the 17 player thread -- so its getting its own. I'll put theo nus on the moderators to combine the two.

Here's my question - we all know a team of NBA superstars cannot compete in FIBA - it takes a special kind of drive and kick point, three point shooting bigs, and role players to fit into that league.

So - if you had absolute power - who, from the current league at the current state of their career andeligible to play for the USA, would be on Team USA.

I'd start with 'Sheed and Billups. Not sure where to go from there.
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Default Re: Not Another FIBA Thread:

steve nash....and luol deng.
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:50 AM   #3
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steve nash....and luol deng.

...and Paul Gasol and Marko Jaric and Kirilenko, and that new GS rookie Bellini or something ---

right?
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now you're just being silly
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steve nash....and luol deng.

Deng is playing for Britain. Nash has said he doesn't want to play for Russia anymore.
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Old 07-18-2007, 12:06 PM   #6
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Deng is playing for Britain. Nash has said he doesn't want to play for Russia anymore.
He played for Canada, no?

I'd send something like for my superstar dream team:

Hinrich/Kidd/Deron
Kobe/Redd/Hamilton
Anthony/Odom/Miller
Brand/McGrady/James
Camby/Boozer/Bosh

My team usa in last year's mold (role players included):

Deron/Bibby/Bell
Hamilton/Martin/Durant
Pierce/Bowen/A. Parker
Battier/Harrington/Collison
Boozer/Camby/
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Old 07-18-2007, 12:16 PM   #7
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Billups/Kidd/Bibby
Kobe/Wade/Redd
Melo/Ray Allen/Ron Artest
KG/Sheed/Odom
Tim Duncan/Shaq
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Old 07-18-2007, 12:20 PM   #8
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Default Re: Not Another FIBA Thread:

Isn't FIBA what the Olympics use?

Didn't the USA Dream Team dominate until that motley crew was assembled in 2004?

I dunno, it just seems like most international teams have one or two guys who are really good and a bunch of scrubs. The US just gets lazy and arrogant, and they get outplayed.

I see no reason why a bunch of good US players couldn't dominate. If they actually showed up to play, that is...
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Default Re: Not Another FIBA Thread:

Looks decent, though I'd do the SF like this:

LeBron/'Melo (ugh!)/Bruce Bowen

Bowen would be the defensive stopper, put in to stop someone who got a hot streak going.

Is the PF position so light that Odom has to be a 4?

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Billups/Kidd/Bibby
Kobe/Wade/Redd
Melo/Ray Allen/Ron Artest
KG/Sheed/Odom
Tim Duncan/Shaq
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Isn't FIBA what the Olympics use?

Didn't the USA Dream Team dominate until that motley crew was assembled in 2004?

I dunno, it just seems like most international teams have one or two guys who are really good and a bunch of scrubs. The US just gets lazy and arrogant, and they get outplayed.

I see no reason why a bunch of good US players couldn't dominate. If they actually showed up to play, that is...

You know nothing about international basketball and I hope AppleNader comes in here soon and disowns you.
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Old 07-18-2007, 12:45 PM   #11
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Default Re: Not Another FIBA Thread:

First, let me say that Shawn Marion, Lamar Odom, Amare Stoudemire, and Emeka Okafor automatically make the team due to their attitude during the Olympic games of 2004. Those guys really impressed me because unlike the rest of the team, and yes that included “Mr. Do No Wrong” Tim Duncan, they all appreciated the situation and took in everything. Like I said when it happened, it is not a coincidence that Shawn, Lamar, Amare, and Emeka were the only guys on the team not listening to headphones during the Team USA Women games.

Second, I’m not a believer in the theory that you can only win in FIBA with certain types of players. I believe any properly formed and coached team has a shot. The USA’s problem is the team isn’t well formed (too many ideas on what the team needs) and isn’t well coached (not enough time to bring the group together).

My gameplan would be to create an uptempo game through defensive pressure. I’d play mostly man to man and would pick up at either three-quarters court or full court. I’d run stunts on it by either pressuring the inbounds or trapping the first pass up the sideline. My half-court defense would be the SOS Defense designed by Bob Kloppenberg.

On High Pick and Rolls my main strategy would be to trap the ball. Secondary idea would be a switch. On Side Picks main strategy would still be to trap but the secondary idea would be to “BLUE” it and force the ball into a short corner trap.

Offensively the gameplan would be based around the transition game. My primary break would be the 2 Guard Fastbreak the Los Angeles Lakers used. From there I’d go into a secondary break that flows into 4 Out 1 In or 3 Out 2 In (Hi/Lo) looks.

To zone break I’d focus on ball and player movement. I’d stress to the team that passes that destroys a zone the quickest are:

- the low post/short corner forcing the middle defender and a baseline defender to cover one player. This pass almost always opens a basket cut for a player from the high post or a spot up jumper for a player on the opposite wing on a skip/reversal pass.

- the pass to the wing forcing the guard up top and the baseline defender to decide who will cover. This pass opens up either the short corner or high post. This pass has to be accurate or it is ineffective. It has to be in that gray area that leads to indecisiveness for the two defenders.

These 10 would be the first guys I’d call to invite to play.
PG – Kirk Hinrich, Jason Kidd
SG – Ray Allen, Joe Johnson
SF – Carmelo Anthony, Shawn Marion
PF – Lamar Odom, Elton Brand
C – Amare Stoudemire, Emeka Okafor
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These 10 would be the first guys Id call to invite to play.
PG Kirk Hinrich, Jason Kidd
SG Ray Allen, Joe Johnson
SF Carmelo Anthony, Shawn Marion
PF Lamar Odom, Elton Brand
C Amare Stoudemire, Emeka Okafor


For 1 Marion sucks in FIBA....the post defense and defense in general sucks against some of the better teams especially against the top teams... your team could win but it is far from the best we could send...The post defense and rebounding would get abused by the best teams...Odom is good but starting him with Amare against teams like Spain Argentina and Brazil is gonna be trouble...

If Brazil plays well they beat that team and same with Argentina and Spain an it wouldnt be a fluke.... One off jumpshooting game against the three and they are done...the defense sucks....
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Default Re: Not Another FIBA Thread:

Clearly I don't oh so great ElPigto. Why don't you educate me?

And shouldn't AppleNader be "owning" me?

And yes, the US did dominate until 2002. Not 2004. My bad on that one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...asketball_team

The International game has definitely stepped up in the past years, but I believe a team of cohesive and properly motivated players from the US could handily beat any basketball team on the planet.

The problem is, of course, getting them all the play nice together and play hard. The worldwide talent level is much higher nowadays than it was back in the Dream Team days. The US players can't just coast by now because they are NBA players. They gotta step up and work hard. Which they haven't done lately...

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First, let me say that Shawn Marion, Lamar Odom, Amare Stoudemire, and Emeka Okafor automatically make the team due to their attitude during the Olympic games of 2004. Those guys really impressed me because unlike the rest of the team, and yes that included Mr. Do No Wrong Tim Duncan, they all appreciated the situation and took in everything. Like I said when it happened, it is not a coincidence that Shawn, Lamar, Amare, and Emeka were the only guys on the team not listening to headphones during the Team USA Women games.

Second, Im not a believer in the theory that you can only win in FIBA with certain types of players. I believe any properly formed and coached team has a shot. The USAs problem is the team isnt well formed (too many ideas on what the team needs) and isnt well coached (not enough time to bring the group together).

My gameplan would be to create an uptempo game through defensive pressure. Id play mostly man to man and would pick up at either three-quarters court or full court. Id run stunts on it by either pressuring the inbounds or trapping the first pass up the sideline. My half-court defense would be the SOS Defense designed by Bob Kloppenberg.

On High Pick and Rolls my main strategy would be to trap the ball. Secondary idea would be a switch. On Side Picks main strategy would still be to trap but the secondary idea would be to BLUE it and force the ball into a short corner trap.

Offensively the gameplan would be based around the transition game. My primary break would be the 2 Guard Fastbreak the Los Angeles Lakers used. From there Id go into a secondary break that flows into 4 Out 1 In or 3 Out 2 In (Hi/Lo) looks.

To zone break Id focus on ball and player movement. Id stress to the team that passes that destroys a zone the quickest are:

- the low post/short corner forcing the middle defender and a baseline defender to cover one player. This pass almost always opens a basket cut for a player from the high post or a spot up jumper for a player on the opposite wing on a skip/reversal pass.

- the pass to the wing forcing the guard up top and the baseline defender to decide who will cover. This pass opens up either the short corner or high post. This pass has to be accurate or it is ineffective. It has to be in that gray area that leads to indecisiveness for the two defenders.

These 10 would be the first guys Id call to invite to play.
PG Kirk Hinrich, Jason Kidd
SG Ray Allen, Joe Johnson
SF Carmelo Anthony, Shawn Marion
PF Lamar Odom, Elton Brand
C Amare Stoudemire, Emeka Okafor
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Old 07-18-2007, 12:58 PM   #15
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Quote first, comment afterwards.

You're Optimus Primus, not Jesus; you can't just destroy the order of things.


The reason we wanted applenader to own you is because you said that the USA could send out another "dream team" and expect to win. Obviously, you haven't been watching any international competitions in the last few years.
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