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Old 09-15-2007, 04:23 PM   #1
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Default Best Players in the NFL- Team

QB- Peyton Manning

other possibility(s):
- Tom Brady

FB- Lorenzo Neal

other possibility(s):
- Mack Strong

RB- Ladainian Tomlinson

no one else deserves in this conversation.

WR- Chad Johnson

other possibility(s):
- Randy Moss
- Torry Holt

WR- Steve Smith

other possibility(s):
- Marvin Harrison
- Terrell Owens

TE- Antonio Gates

other possibility(s):
- Tony Gonzalez

LT- Jonathan Ogden

other possibility(s):
Walter Jones

LG- Steve Hutchinson

other possibility(s):
- Alan Faneca
- Larry Allen

C- Jeff Saturday

other possibility(s):
- Olin Kreutz
- Matt Birk

RG- Randy Thomas

other possiblity(s):
- Shawn Andrews

RT- Willie Anderson

other possibility(s):
- Mark Tauscher
- Jon Runyan

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RE- Jason Taylor

other possibility(s):
- Dwight Freeney
- John Abraham
- Derrick Burgess

LE- Julius Peppers

period

DT- Casey Hampton

other possibility(s):
- John Henderson
- Tommie Harris

DT- Kevin Williams

other possibility(s):
- Shaun Rogers
- Jamal Williams
- Warren Sapp

OLB- Shawne Merriman

he is one of the outside linebackers, no debate

MLB- Brian Urlacher

best middle linebacker

OLB- Demarcus Ware

other possibility(s):
- Lance Briggs
- Keith Bulluck

CB- Champ Bailey

best CB, he gets one of the top 2 spots with ease!

CB- Rashean Mathis

other possibility(s):
- Ronde Barber
- Nate Clements
- Chris McAlister

FS- Brian Dawkins

other possibility(s):
- Ed Reed

SS- Adrian Wilson

other possibility(s):
- Troy Polamalu

K- Adam Vinatieri

other possiblity(s):
- Jason Elam

P- I was gonna list someone but WHO CARES?


Am I missing anyone? make suggestions
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Old 09-15-2007, 04:35 PM   #2
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I think last week we were all reminded that Randy Moss is the best WR in the NFL....

he was just trapped on a crappy team with no QB/O-Line/RB/ect so we kind of forgot about him.

Randy Moss > Chad Johnson IMO


I personally would start Owens over Smith as well
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Well Oakland's offensive co-ordinator couldn't tell Randy the defense's plays beforehand like New England's can.
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Old 09-15-2007, 05:11 PM   #4
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Default Re: Best Players in the NFL- Team

Randy Moss, as much as I like him, has to show that he can produce week-in and week-out. If Peyton Manning is quarterbacking this team Marvin has to start instead of Johnson.

Ed Reed is the best safety in the game. Better than Dawkins.

DT is Jamal Williams no doubt. He's a bulldozer. Should be there instead of Hampton.

Walter Jones over Ogden. He's living off rep nowadays in my opinion.
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Old 09-15-2007, 06:43 PM   #5
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Ed Reed is the best safety in the game. Better than Dawkins.
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Old 09-15-2007, 06:51 PM   #6
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Default Re: Best Players in the NFL- Team

QB: Peyton Manning, Ind & Tom Brady, NE
RB: Ladainian Tomlinson, SD
WR: Steve Smith, Car
TE: Antonio Gates, SD
OL: Steve Hutchinson, Min
DE: Julius Peppers, Car
DT:: Kevin Williams, Min
MLB: Brian Urlacher, Chi
OLB: Shawn Merriman, SD
CB: Champ Bailey, Den
Safety: Ed Reed, Bal

In my opinion...
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Old 09-15-2007, 06:57 PM   #7
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Skywalker...you should have mentioned Marvin Harrison & Steve Smith, it's a complete and utter joke to mention Randy Moss after one great game who has been a ghost for the last few years...and to mention Torry Holt, a receiver who Smith outplayed just last week is very questionable.

Other then that, pretty much a perfect list...well done!!

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I personally would start Owens over Smith as well

Of course you would, he plays for your team...if Smith played for your team and you watched him every week catch the ball, you wouldn't even think about trading him for TO.
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Old 09-15-2007, 07:00 PM   #8
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Walter Jones is definitely better than Jonathan Ogden
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Old 09-15-2007, 07:46 PM   #9
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Of course you would, he plays for your team...if Smith played for your team and you watched him every week catch the ball, you wouldn't even think about trading him for TO.
BS

I would start Moss over Owens

why is Steve Smith the most overrated WR in the NFL?...I don't get it

the guy has ONE great year and everyone thinks he is the man...

don't get me wrong, he is a great WR, but he is not Moss or Owens
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it's a complete and utter joke to mention Randy Moss after one great game who has been a ghost for the last few years...
no it's not...

we have far more than just ONE game to judge Moss....we have his entire career

he was a ghost in Oakland for obvious reasons....the Moss that I saw burn 3 defenders and score a TD was a Moss that very obviously has not lost a step.
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why is Steve Smith the most overrated WR in the NFL?...I don't get it

How is he overrated? If anything he's highly underrated, Chad Johnson and Terrell Owens gets literally 10 times the media coverage.

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don't get me wrong, he is a great WR, but he is not Moss or Owens

Just a week ago in my player ranking thread, you were staggered about taking Owens over Smith, saying how those 5 receivers (Smith, Owens, Johnson, Holt, Harrison are interchangeable) but now all the sudden Smith is "not" a TO or Moss? Classic.

No, he's actually better...

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the guy has ONE great year and everyone thinks he is the man...

Well he isn't going to lead the league in yards, receptions and touchdowns every single season if that's what you mean by great, but just to educate you a little on Steve Smith.

2003--88 receptions, 1110 yards, 7 touchdowns (2nd option receiver behind Moose)
2004--6 receptions, 60 yards in 2 quarters against Green Bay, suffered a season ending knee surgery
2005--103 receptions, 1563 yards, 12 touchdowns
2006--83 receptions, 1166 yards, 8 touchdowns in 14 games

In week 1 this season he had 118 yards on 7 receptions and scored a touchdown...again please educate yourself on topics you have no clue about.

He returns punts for Carolina as well, scored on more then one occasion in his career.

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he was a ghost in Oakland for obvious reasons....the Moss that I saw burn 3 defenders and score a TD was a Moss that very obviously has not lost a step.

Keep using your flawed Tony Romo theory...one week means very little, Moss needs to get his reputation back on track if he wants to be called the #1 receiver in the game, one great game isn't enough for me to rank him over guys who have consistently put up great numbers the last few years.
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Old 09-15-2007, 08:21 PM   #12
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No, he's actually better....
wrong...sorry dude


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Well he isn't going to lead the league in yards, receptions and touchdowns every single season if that's what you mean by great, but just to educate you a little on Steve Smith.

2003--88 receptions, 1110 yards, 7 touchdowns (2nd option receiver behind Moose)
2004--6 receptions, 60 yards in 2 quarters against Green Bay, suffered a season ending knee surgery
2005--103 receptions, 1563 yards, 12 touchdowns
2006--83 receptions, 1166 yards, 8 touchdowns in 14 games

In week 1 this season he had 118 yards on 7 receptions and scored a touchdown...again please educate yourself on topics you have no clue about.

He returns punts for Carolina as well, scored on more then one occasion in his career.
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so this just proves what I said...he had ONE really solid year....and even in that year he doesn't compare to numbers that Moss or Owens have put up in the past...hell T.O. had 12 TDs last year with a broken hand...

Moss and Owens will both put up better numbers than Smith this year as well...unless an injury happens of course

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Keep using your flawed Tony Romo theory...one week means very little, Moss needs to get his reputation back on track if he wants to be called the #1 receiver in the game, one great game isn't enough for me to rank him over guys who have consistently put up great numbers the last few years.
Moss has history that we can use to judge him unlike Romo...

again...the Moss I saw last week was the Moss of old.....and that Moss is the best WR in the NFL
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so this just proves what I said...he had ONE really solid year....and even in that year he doesn't compare to numbers that Moss or Owens have put up in the past...

Past is the past, Junior Seau used to lead the league in tackles too...where is he now? Bottom line, lately Moss hasn't done much of anything and I don't think his stock should rise back to the top after one great game.

Smith made the pro-bowl last season, where was your boy? Smith played with a bad hamstring too last year, and missed two games because of it. He also didn't lead the league in drop passes, TO had 2 more receptions and 14 more yards then Smith while playing 2 more games.

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and even in that year he doesn't compare to numbers that Moss or Owens have put up in the past...

Owens best year: 93 receptions, 1412 yards, 16 touchdowns
Moss best year: 111 receptions, 1632 yards, 17 touchdowns

Both of those years were in 2002 & 2003 respectively.

Smith's best year: 103 receptions, 1563 yards, 12 touchdowns

How are these numbers not "comparable" again? They seem pretty close to me, with Moss having the edge.

You're in serious denial, I mean clearly when you make such a retarded comment about a receiver who led the league in all three major categories...and only other wide out that achieved such a feat in league history was Jerry Rice.

And last year Smith put up damn good numbers while not being fully healthy and only playing in 14 games.

We'll see how these 3 receivers do this year.

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Ed Reed is the best safety in the game. Better than Dawkins.

I like complete players, and Dawkins is more complete. Weapon X *****!

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Walter Jones over Ogden. He's living off rep nowadays in my opinion.

Isn't Jones doing the same? People say he had a terrible year last year.

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Skywalker...you should have mentioned Marvin Harrison & Steve Smith

I did Stevie Wonder

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don't get me wrong, he is a great WR, but he is not Moss or Owens

Great point, I agree with you now. You have shown me the light. (No sarcasm, though I could see how you could think there might be there, lol)
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I didn't see that you had two receivers, my bad...I glanced through your list pretty fast.
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