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Old 10-04-2007, 04:34 PM   #1
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Default If Kobe had more patience

By now Shaq would have already passed kobe the torch as the #1 option on the Lakers. That Finals MVP that wade has now would have been kobes. Infact he might have possibly had 2 finals MVPs by now, and potentially more.

But he wanted that role to soon. You cant Move a force like Shaq from the lead role, you gotta let him back off from it... especially since Shaq was already on the decline.

Now my question is how good would L.A have been with the Shaq and Kobe duo still together, and Kobe as the leader? Would they be real contenders today?

It would have been great 2 watch. Ofcourse I would have been Booing them and rooting for the other team.
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:40 PM   #2
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Shaq would have left LA already cause the Laker front office was not stupid enough to give him $20+ million each season to watch him have less and less of an impact.
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Shaq would have left LA already cause the Laker front office was not stupid enough to give him $20+ million each season to watch him have less and less of an impact.



what he said.
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If Kobe had more patience, Shaq would still be in Miami. On the other hand, maybe if Shaq wasn't so greedy your scenario could have happened.
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:49 PM   #5
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Shaq would have left LA already cause the Laker front office was not stupid enough to give him $20+ million each season to watch him have less and less of an impact.
The amount of money that they made by having Shaq and Kobe in L.A. PLUS if they were still winning championships would balance it out.
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:52 PM   #6
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If Kobe had more patience, Shaq would still be in Miami. On the other hand, maybe if Shaq wasn't so greedy your scenario could have happened.

Greedy? How much are championships worth? Wonder if Miami thinks Shaq's been worth it or not. Spend the money on a declining great center and get yourself a championship or waste it on three other players who you know won't get you a championship. LA should've paid him and told Kobe to shut up and play like they're doing to him now.
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Greedy? How much are championships worth? Wonder if Miami thinks Shaq's been worth it or not. Spend the money on a declining great center and get yourself a championship or waste it on three other players who you know won't get you a championship. LA should've paid him and told Kobe to shut up and play like they're doing to him now.

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Yeah. Greedy.
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The amount of money that they made by having Shaq and Kobe in L.A. PLUS if they were still winning championships would balance it out.

They wouldn't continue to win championships. Due to the salary cap and the nature of the players on the roster at the time, they would have struggled to build and replenish their talent.

For some reason, people don't seem to think that 25-30 million a year for someone who's only played 60% of his team's games in the last two years is too much.

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Greedy? How much are championships worth? Wonder if Miami thinks Shaq's been worth it or not. Spend the money on a declining great center and get yourself a championship or waste it on three other players who you know won't get you a championship. LA should've paid him and told Kobe to shut up and play like they're doing to him now.




Perhaps you didn't know that Shaq is a well known injured player. maybe you forgot that he only played 59 games in 2006 and 42 in 2007. and to add to that, it was a wise move to not pay shaq 20 million a year. especially when 20 mill per year is reserved for players that are actually in their prime.

seriously though, I would never pay that fat ass 20 mill a year, when half the time he is injured.
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By now Shaq would have already passed kobe the torch as the #1 option on the Lakers. That Finals MVP that wade has now would have been kobes. Infact he might have possibly had 2 finals MVPs by now, and potentially more.

But he wanted that role to soon. You cant Move a force like Shaq from the lead role, you gotta let him back off from it... especially since Shaq was already on the decline.

Now my question is how good would L.A have been with the Shaq and Kobe duo still together, and Kobe as the leader? Would they be real contenders today?

It would have been great 2 watch. Ofcourse I would have been Booing them and rooting for the other team.

This is a very misinformed posting... you tried to simplify a very complex dynamic into blaming Kobe.... well, while Kobe was to blame, so was Shaq and so was Laker management... this dynamic played into why Shaq and Kobe are no longer playing together...



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If Kobe didn't chuck so much in the 2004 finals and gave Shaq the ball the Lakers would have had a shot because Shaq was averaging like 27 ppg on 61% shooting. That dynasty could have still been going on with Shaq as a role player and Kobe as the #1 option. Shaq would have been the #1 option for the last time in 04'-05' and then Kobe could have become the #1 option.
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Old 10-04-2007, 05:08 PM   #12
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Default Re: If Kobe had more patience

Don't expect apologists to agree with the obvious Joey.

Yes, you are correct. Had Kobe treated Shaq with respect, knowing that as Shaq aged he would need him to take over more and more of the key role in a NATURAL progression (instead of trying to hog the ball and sucking his way through the 2004 Finals), Shaq would have handed over the keys to him.

But hey, I'm happy it happened this way. Im happy Kobe was a primadonna, egomaniac. Look at what it got him.

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Old 10-04-2007, 05:08 PM   #13
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If Kobe didn't chuck so much in the 2004 finals and gave Shaq the ball the Lakers would have had a shot because Shaq was averaging like 27 ppg on 61% shooting. That dynasty could have still been going on with Shaq as a role player and Kobe as the #1 option. Shaq would have been the #1 option for the last time in 04'-05' and then Kobe could have become the #1 option.

While Kobe definitely chucked and played like crap,

- If Shaq had any desire to play on the defensive side we would have had more of a chance
- If Shaq wasn't getting completely destroyed by Ben Wallace (who should have won MVP over Chauncey) on the boards we would have had more of a chance
- If the refs hadn't allowed Detroit to get away with murder all series and hadn't called every tick-tack foul on LA every time someone got within feet of Billups or Rip, we would have had more of a chance
- If Malone hadn't gotten reinjured we would have had more of chance
- If the other lakers, BESIDES Kobe, did a better job of getting the ball to shaq instead of chucking their selves, we would have had more of a shot

Kobe was one of MANY reasons we got beat that series.

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Don't expect apologists to agree with the obvious Joey.

Yes, you are correct. Had Kobe treated Shaq with respect, knowing that as Shaq aged he would need him to take over more and more of the key role in a NATURAL progression (instead of trying to hog the ball and sucking his way through the 2004 Finals), Shaq would have handed over the keys to him.

But hey, I'm happy it happened this way. Im happy Kobe was a primadonna, egomaniac. Look at what it got him.





Yes..because we're supposed to take your comments seriously.


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While Kobe definitely chucked and played like crap,

- If Shaq had any desire to play on the defensive side we would have had more of a chance
- If Shaq wasn't getting completely destroyed by Ben Wallace (who should have won MVP over Chauncey) on the boards we would have had more of a chance
- If the refs hadn't allowed Detroit to get away with murder all series and hadn't called every tick-tack foul on LA every time someone got within feet of Billups or Rip, we would have had more of a chance
- If Malone hadn't gotten reinjured we would have had more of chance

Kobe was one of MANY reasons we got beat that series.



Good smokescreen, but it doesn't change the FACT that if Kobe Bryant had played like the player he's hyped to be, LA would have had a great chance to win, even with all the other stuff you mentioned (especially the nonsense about the refs, what garbage coming from a LAKER fan. Have you NO shame?)

Nah, Kobe was the MAIN reason LA lost. Not only was he shooting poorly and (for the greatest scorer in NBA history) not scoring nearly enough, but he was also getting stripped, making other poor decisions with the ball and not getting it to his 60% shooting dominant center. Just crap all around.
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