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Old 12-11-2007, 06:17 PM   #1
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Default Is David Stern a hypocrite?

Talking about the Knicks/Isiah sexual harassment settlement:

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NBA Commissioner David Stern today released the following statement in connection with the settlement:

“The NBA is pleased that the parties have agreed to a settlement that dismisses the litigation. I had previously determined not to consider any action against the Knicks while the litigation was still pending, which, with appeals, could have been several years. In light of the settlement, which I strongly supported, I have decided to take no further action. Instead, we are going to continue to focus our attention on a league-wide program ensuring that all teams have appropriate policies, clearly communicated to their employees, focusing on respect in the workplace including the prohibition of sexual harassment.”

So if this had been a player and not a member of management, we all know David Stern would CERTAINTLY take action right?

When Latrell Sprewell choked PJ Carlisimo, PJ could have sued Latrell in civil court and the NBA could have "decided to take no further action", yet Stern suspended Latrell for a year.

GM sexually harasses an employee (which is arguably worse), and is actually found RESPONSIBLE by a court of law, and NBA says "case closed".

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Old 12-11-2007, 07:01 PM   #2
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Default Re: Is David Stern a hypocrite?

The NBA missed an opportunity to display its position against sexual abuse in the workplace. Especially when it pretends to endorse the WNBA. And make no mistake, this is the NBA's workplace and not Dolan and Isiah's play land.

I don't know what's worse, listening to Don Imus with his stupid comment about female athletes or David Stern's complete capitulation in this case.
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Old 12-11-2007, 09:11 PM   #3
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GM sexually harasses an employee (which is arguably worse), and is actually found RESPONSIBLE by a court of law, and NBA says "case closed".

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It's very likely that there is a 'no punishment from the NBA' clause as part of this settlement....
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Old 12-11-2007, 09:12 PM   #4
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It's very likely that there is a 'no punishment from the NBA' clause as part of this settlement....


The NBA has nothing to do with this settlement. WTF are you talking about?
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Old 12-11-2007, 09:36 PM   #5
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The NBA has nothing to do with this settlement. WTF are you talking about?
How do you know?
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Old 12-11-2007, 09:42 PM   #6
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So, is Stern a hypocrite? One could make a good argument that he is not being consistent in how he delivers punishment. Or, maybe he just wants this issue to go away and die down so that he can work on his number one mission, which is expanding his fan base and expanding revenues for the league. How could we know either way?



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Old 12-11-2007, 10:04 PM   #7
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Default Re: Is David Stern a hypocrite?

It certainly is hypocritical, but I dont think it really derives from an intention to be more lenient to management than to players. It's about avoiding negative press.

The reality is, in a couple months, the sexual harrassment thing will be a distant memory as a headline issue, and that is exactly what the NBA wants. They want talk of this whole thing to go away because they are a very image conscious league.

If you suspend Isiah for the year, it's going to be brought up and discussed for the whole rest of the season. And the NBA wants to avoid that at all costs. Basically the NBA does not want to create any reminders about the incident, which is what suspending Isiah would lead to.

But the Sprewell thing was different, because that's something that would have never gone away if he WASNT suspended. Aside from that, I'm sorry but physical violence is a much more punishable offense than cat calls and dirty jokes. It's really two completely seperate issues. So yeah, it's probably hypocritical of the league to some degree, but it's not really about being nicer to management than players, but rather doing whats necessary to get the issue off people's minds.
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Old 12-11-2007, 10:32 PM   #8
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Stern is the debil... any bad characteristic, he has
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If you suspend Isiah for the year, it's going to be brought up and discussed for the whole rest of the season. And the NBA wants to avoid that at all costs. Basically the NBA does not want to create any reminders about the incident, which is what suspending Isiah would lead to.

Yet he didn't feel the same way about Sprewell's yearlong suspension, which doesn't look good for the league, or suspended Ron Artest, which definitely didn't look good for the league. So really the argument holds no water.....
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Yet he didn't feel the same way about Sprewell's yearlong suspension, which doesn't look good for the league, or suspended Ron Artest, which definitely didn't look good for the league. So really the argument holds no water.....
Well, yeah, when you take what he said out of the context of the larger post it doesn't.
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Old 12-11-2007, 11:10 PM   #11
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Well, yeah, when you take what he said out of the context of the larger post it doesn't.

You really think I took that statement out of context? If the Sprewell incident is "dropped", then it goes away....

Criminally, strangling someone is a big deal, but civil law the harassment is probably a MUCH bigger deal. So I guess its eye of the beholder.....

But of course, Stern will use any excuse never to punish an owner/management......just find a legal out.
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You really think I took that statement out of context? If the Sprewell incident is "dropped", then it goes away....

Criminally, strangling someone is a big deal, but civil law the harassment is probably a MUCH bigger deal. So I guess its eye of the beholder.....

But of course, Stern will use any excuse never to punish an owner/management......just find a legal out.

Dude there are hundreds of players in the NBA. A player on the Indiana Pacers or Minnesota TImberwolves being suspended is not going to be a mainstay newstory on the national stage

If the President and GM, not to mention coach, of arguably the league's most recognizable franchise in the country's largest city is suspended for a year for sexual harrassment, that's going to be a topic of national discussion for a long time to come. That is the absolute last thing they want. If doling out suspensions to Spree or Ronron was bad for the league, Stern wouldnt have done it. THe bottom line is the league comes first.

I'm not saying its fair or just, but thats the reality of the situation. If you suspend Artest and Spree the league does not suffer 1/100 the PR hit as if you suspend the GM of the New York Knicks for sexual harrassment.


Can you not see the difference?

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Old 12-12-2007, 12:40 AM   #13
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Default Re: Is David Stern a hypocrite?

Some would say this has been going on since 1985. I think it's time for Big Dave to step down. He's overstayed his welcome.
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Some would say this has been going on since 1985. I think it's time for Big Dave to step down. He's overstayed his welcome.

Honestly, what has he done that would cause you to say he should step down? I thought overall attendance and revenues for the league are up.... is that not his job?



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Honestly, what has he done that would cause you to say he should step down? I thought overall attendance and revenues for the league are up.... is that not his job?





Oh, I don't know. Maybe it has to do with the referee scandal. The NBA needs a commissioner with a set of balls. One that doesn't take **** from anyone.
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