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Old 07-17-2008, 07:37 PM   #1
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Default Deron signing....

Now that Deron is signing, do they go after Boozer & Memo or do the usual and play the waiting game?

How much longer can we as fans put up with the wait & see approach?





I'm getting a bit toey, must be the off-season again!!!
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Old 07-18-2008, 05:30 AM   #2
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http://www.sltrib.com/jazz/ci_9919497
http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700243931,00.html

3 years @ max money
4th year player option



At least this makes Deron a permanent fixture through the turbulance of resigning basically everybody.

Summers (assuming everybody opts-out and we pick up team-options):
2009
-Boozer
-Okur
-Milsap
-Korver
-Collins
-Price
-Hart

2010
-Brewer
-Fes
-Harpring

2011
-Kirilenko
-Almond
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Old 07-18-2008, 05:36 AM   #3
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Default Re: Deron signing....

09/10-Keep Boozer, Price, Collins. I will miss them but, let the others fly.
Williams/Price
Brewer/Almond
Kirilenko/Harpring
Boozer/x
Fes/Koufos/Collins

10/11-Keep Fes.
Williams/x
Almond/x
Kirilenko/x
Boozer/x
Fes/Koufos/Collins

11/12-hard to say
Williams
x
x
Boozer
Fes/Koufos
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Old 07-18-2008, 10:17 AM   #4
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Keep Boozer, Price, Collins. I will miss them but, let the others fly.

I wouldn't keep Boozer at max. They already have a great young pg so Price would depend on how much it would cost as well and don't let the door hit you on the way out Jaron.

This is a great example of why they should be doing whatever they can to win this year. Could be there best chance. But as usual they appear to be standing pat while everyone else tries to upgrade.

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Williams/Price
Brewer/Almond
Kirilenko/Harpring
Boozer/x
Fes/Koufos/Collins

Lots of question marks there especially at center.

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10/11-Keep Fes.

He might be gone after this year. Sloan is already questioning him.

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Williams/x
Almond/x
Kirilenko/x
Boozer/x
Fes/Koufos/Collins

Let Brewer go while Almond has proven nothing?(Guess same could be said above in Okur's case). If Harpring can still walk and Sloan is coach(which is likely for years to come) they'll bring him back.

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11/12-hard to say

Hard to say what will happen now.
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Old 07-18-2008, 11:17 AM   #5
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Default Re: Deron signing....

Summers (assuming everybody opts-out and we pick up team-options):
2009
-Boozer
-Okur
-Milsap
-Korver
-Collins
-Price
-Hart

2010
-Brewer
-Fes
-Harpring

2011
-Kirilenko
-Almond[/quote]

I think we need Milsap, Okur, Boozer if we can (we'd need to get rid of AK)
Brewer, and possibly Almond. Fes, see ya. Sloan doesn't like you and unless your work ethic changes good night. Korver is good but almond can shoot. Neither one of them plays D so I see it as a wash. Korver costs more and is older so I'm thinking let him go. Collins isn't going anywhere unless Fes and Koufus really step it up.
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Old 07-18-2008, 12:46 PM   #6
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I think we need Milsap, Okur, Boozer if we can (we'd need to get rid of AK)

Depends on the price you have to pay as to who you need. Boozer isn't worth max that's for sure.

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Brewer, and possibly Almond.

They could be that much more important if you trade AK.

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Fes, see ya. Sloan doesn't like you and unless your work ethic changes good night.

Wouldn't say Sloan doesn't like him yet. He's not that happy with him right now.

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Korver is good but almond can shoot. Neither one of them plays D so I see it as a wash. Korver costs more and is older so I'm thinking let him go.

Korver is proven and Almond isn't though.

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Collins isn't going anywhere unless Fes and Koufus really step it up.

And even than they probably have a spot for him. Maybe his twin too.
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Old 07-18-2008, 03:57 PM   #7
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Default Re: Deron signing....

Only one player in the NBA has averaged 20&10 for the last two seasons... His name is Carlos Boozer, and yes he's worth the Max.
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Old 07-18-2008, 04:04 PM   #8
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AK is Mr. 5X5 but he's no max player. Boozer's game is limited. There's a lot more to the game than scoring and rebounding and max players should do a lot more than that.
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Old 07-18-2008, 04:30 PM   #9
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AK is Mr. 5X5 but he's no max player. Boozer's game is limited. There's a lot more to the game than scoring and rebounding and max players should do a lot more than that.


AK WAS Mr. 5X5... Now he's just a whiny role player.
If one dimentional players like Arenas get the max then there's no way a double-double guy like Boozer doesn't get maxed out...
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Old 07-18-2008, 04:44 PM   #10
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AK is Mr. 5X5 but he's no max player. Boozer's game is limited. There's a lot more to the game than scoring and rebounding and max players should do a lot more than that.

Nobody thought AK was a bad signing when he got his max deal. Most teams in the league at that time would have given him the same. He didn't maintain his impact, and then naturally came all the criticism.

As for defending my fantasy plan...
-Boozer wil get a max deal somewhere. I think he'll probably stay.
-I expected to Pay price something similar. If he takes a large raise, he is replaceable. 10 minute backup point guards shouldn't get much more than that.
-Fes is in the "conditioning" dog house. I still like him more than Kosta. Kosta is probably already better offensively, but I would take rebounds over points at that position.
-My 09/10 lineup...yea, assuming Fes is useful. Most people wouldn't argue about Almond getting time.
-Letting Brewer go..I expect he gets paid more than we want to match, especially with a cheap team option for Almond.
-Yes, hard to say. But I sure like saying it. Speculation is speculation, if you don't enjoy playing GM, don't worry about it.
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Old 07-18-2008, 04:58 PM   #11
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Arenas isn't a max player.

Besides being one of the dominant scorers in the league he's put up as much as 6 assists/5 rebounds/2 stls a game while being one of the best in the league at getting to the line while shooting a high % there. One of the top in 3's while shooting a high % and a respectable overall %. Unlike Boozer he does play some D. Is a clutch shooter and big game player. It's what's called a superstar(should have been Dream Teamer). Not one-dimensional.

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Nobody thought AK was a bad signing when he got his max deal.

They should have if they didn't.

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Most teams in the league at that time would have given him the same.

Doubt it. There's always talk of guys getting max but most of them don't. The market just isn't there.

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Boozer wil get a max deal somewhere. I think he'll probably stay.

I think he'll stay cuz the Jazz are the only ones who will give him max.

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10 minute backup point guards shouldn't get much more than that.

Depends on how effective they are. If they're the typical Jazz back-up pg that loses leads when they're in the game than no they shouldn't make much. But if they're a veteran that keeps the team playing at a high level and brings much needed veteran leadership than they should get paid accordingly.

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I would take rebounds over points at that position.

I'd take D and Fess isn't considered that good there right now.

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Most people wouldn't argue about Almond getting time.

They should considering he hasn't proved he can play at the NBA level.
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:14 PM   #12
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Maybe we should trade AK for Lebron, their salaries are about the same. No way AK should get a max deal.

Boozer might convince me with a stellar season this year. Luigi is right though, someone will give Boozer a max deal if he has a year similar to this one (or at least the first have of this one). Bogut got what 70+ million? Boozer is much better than Bogut, people are willing to sink serious money into "big" men.

Luigi, the Fes/Kosta debate will hopefully have some new info this week but I'm skeptical on Fes's ability to defend
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:21 PM   #13
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Bogut got what 70+ million?

12 million a year + bonuses. The going rate for a 2nd tier center. Got to see him quite a bit last year and when Redd was out he looked like an all-star.

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Boozer is much better than Bogut, people are willing to sink serious money into "big" men.

Big difference between the two. Bogut's a center. One of the best passing big men around. Can play low or high post. Decent rebounder overall, great on the offensive glass. Showed shot blocking ability last year. Still young. Lots of upside.

Boozer is an undersized 4 that doesn't play D.
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Old 07-19-2008, 11:01 AM   #14
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09/10-Keep Boozer, Price, Collins. I will miss them but, let the others fly.
Williams/Price
Brewer/Almond
Kirilenko/Harpring
Boozer/x
Fes/Koufos/Collins


A lot of people recognize Williams' role in making Boozer the player that he is.

Okur's role in doing the same is often overlooked.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:31 PM   #15
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Arenas isn't a max player.

Tell that to the guy signing his checks...
Plus, the way you describe him below, it sounds like he's earning that money in your eyes...

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Besides being one of the dominant scorers in the league he's put up as much as 6 assists/5 rebounds/2 stls a game while being one of the best in the league at getting to the line while shooting a high % there. One of the top in 3's while shooting a high % and a respectable overall %. Unlike Boozer he does play some D. Is a clutch shooter and big game player. It's what's called a superstar(should have been Dream Teamer). Not one-dimensional.
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