Biggest statpadders in league history?

[zoom17]

LOL id rather be 0 than be a cheap beta who settles for cheap rings

last time I checked a ring is a ring dumbass

[knicksman]

last time I checked a ring is a ring dumbass

last time I check, betas are always betas

[RoundMoundOfReb]

No one really. Maybe Rondo with the assists sometimes.

[Hey Yo]

Magic was a huge stat-padder

[Ne 1]

this.. Thats why im not a fan of triple doubles or all around players. Coz the most effective scorers let their teammates rebounds and plays off the ball. If you let teammates rebound, then that means less rebound for you and if you play off the ball, the less assists for you. Thats what team ball is all about. Players like bran compromises teamball because of stats. Thats why they needed stack teams to win. Thats why they were never winners unless they cheat. Yet these idiots keep comparing him to jordan because of stats. LOL and keep discrediting jordan for his teammates when actually, if you play teamball, the better stats for your teammates and if you play lebron ball, the lesser stats for your teammates.

Yeah, triple doubles are meaningless when they do nothing to help your team win. Especially in the post season. If your team needs you to be a volume scorer but you're too busy distributing the ball padding your assists how does that help your team? In all triple doubles in a vacuum are overrated

Such as when people point to Oscar avgeraging a trip dub for a season as evidence of his top 10-15 greatness.

Perfect example of an overrated triple double is Lebron's 27/19/10 vs the Celtics in Game 6 of the 2010 ECSF....

he was 8-21 with 10 TO in that game, the rebounding is the most overrated aspect of Lebron's triple doubles.

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[aj1987]

Yeah, triple doubles are meaningless when they do nothing to help your team win. Especially in the post season. If your team needs you to be a volume scorer but you're too busy distributing the ball padding your assists how does that help your team? In all triple doubles in a vacuum are overrated

Such as when people point to Oscar avgeraging a trip dub for a season as evidence of his top 10-15 greatness.

Perfect example of an overrated triple double is Lebron's 27/19/10 vs the Celtics in Game 6 of the 2010 ECSF....

he was 8-21 with 10 TO in that game, the rebounding is the most overrated aspect of Lebron's triple doubles.

Did you actually watch the Finals? LeBron averaging 50 PPG on 45% wouldn't have helped them win the series. The defense was atrocious and the rest of the team played like crap. You really need to stop talking out of your ass. Sure, LeBron's Game 6 3D is overrated. Lets not blame the rest of the team for sucking balls.

Kobe's volume scoring sure helped them win in a shitload of titles, right? Oh wait, his chucking actually cost the Lakers/Shaq a couple of titles.

[BoutPractice]

3ball > You genuinely believe LeBron's first priority in the NBA Finals was to maximize his PER? I'm at a loss for words...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I doubt LeBron even knows PER exists...You seriously think he looked up PER and how it was calculated and then played in a way so as to maximize his PER?..lol

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Actually PER is not mathematically biased towards shooting efficiency...It has a lot to do with ast/to ratio (too much imo)

[3ball]

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[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lebron looks like a stat-padder to me, but in a very sophisticated way.. It's not just the Finals - he's been playing that way all year and now he's very used to it.. comfortable with it.. it actually minimizes risk for him (risk of a tough shot, risk of blame), which he likes a lot.

How does Lebron's 31.8 Finals PER through 4 games of the 2014 Finals make it onto the List of Top All-Time Finals PER's, when his performance in this year's Finals had by far the least production of anyone on that list?

Shooting efficiency.. that's how.. he makes up for his lack of production in comparison to the others by being the only one whose PER is based on shooting efficiency strategies and restricting shot attempts to seek high efficiency shots.

Not coincidentally, he's the only one on that list to lose it's Finals (I should mention that he's also the only one on the list to not get consistently double teamed, which can be caused by restricting shot attempts in favor of high efficiency shot attempts).

So now we know that battling an opponent's production with production of your own, wins (all the other top Finals PER's), while propping up your PER with shooting efficiency strategies and battling the opponent's production with shooting efficiency rather than production of your own, loses (by record margins - it may as well have been you or me out there).

Nobody cares about PER.....least of all NBA players..you seriously think that he looked up how PER is calculated and then decided to play in such a way to not maximize winning but rather PER??

Also, he's not the only one on that list to have lost..Wade lost in 2011

[aj1987]

Lebron is a stat-padder to me, but in a very sophisticated way.. It's not just the Finals - he's been playing that way all year and now he's very used to it.. comfortable with it.. it actually minimizes risk for him (risk of a tough shot, risk of blame), which he likes a lot.

Think about it - how does Lebron's 31.8 Finals PER through 4 games of the 2014 Finals make it onto the List of Top All-Time Finals PER's, when his performance in this year's Finals had by far the least production of anyone on that list?

Shooting efficiency.. that's how.. he makes up for his lack of production in comparison to the others by being the only one whose PER is based on shooting efficiency strategies and restricting shot attempts to seek high efficiency shots.

Not coincidentally, he's the only one on that list to lose it's Finals (I should mention that he's also the only one on the list to not get consistently double teamed, which is a direct result of restricting shot attempts in favor of high efficiency shot attempts).

So now we know that battling an opponent's production with production of your own, wins (all the other top Finals PER's), while propping up your PER with shooting efficiency strategies and battling the opponent's production with shooting efficiency rather than production of your own, loses (by record margins - it may as well have been you or me out there).

You just went full retard, kid.

[BoutPractice]

Lebron is a stat-padder to me, but in a very sophisticated way.. It's not just the Finals - he's been playing that way all year and now he's very used to it.. comfortable with it.. it actually minimizes risk for him (risk of a tough shot, risk of blame), which he likes a lot.

Think about it - how does Lebron's 31.8 Finals PER through 4 games of the 2014 Finals make it onto the List of Top All-Time Finals PER's, when his performance in this year's Finals had by far the least production of anyone on that list?

Shooting efficiency.. that's how.. he makes up for his lack of production in comparison to the others by being the only one whose PER is based on shooting efficiency strategies and restricting shot attempts to seek high efficiency shots.

Not coincidentally, he's the only one on that list to lose it's Finals... (I should mention that he's also the only one on the list to not get consistently double teamed, which is a direct result of restricting shot attempts in favor of high efficiency shot attempts).

So now we know that battling an opponent's production with production of your own, WINS (all the other top Finals PER's), while propping up your PER with shooting efficiency strategies and battling the opponent's production with shooting efficiency rather than production of your own, loses (by record margins - it may as well have been you or me out there).

[3ball]

How can each of the top 10 all-time Finals PER's that all won their Finals, produce so much more than Lebron, yet Lebron's 2014 Finals PER is the same as theirs?

It's because Lebron made up for the deficit in production by propping up his PER with shooting efficiency.

It was an artificial prop-up though because it didn't work - his shooting-efficiency-driven PER was impact-less in trying to defeat the opponent, while the other guys who all won their Finals used production-driven PER's to defeat their opponent.

One of the drawbacks of employing a shot restriction strategy of any kind, is that the opponent might ask, "why double team a guy that caps his shot attempts?"... it's like a double whammy - restricting yourself actually ends up restricting your teammates too at the highest levels of competition.