Lebron craters the apg and assist % of his teammates

[3ball]

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[COLOR="Blue"]Since Lebron significantly lowers the APG and assist % of his teammates:[/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 6.6, 34.8% [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Wade apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'): 4.7, 25.5% [/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 2.2, 10.5%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Bosh apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'): 1.6, [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]8.0% [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'): 5.8, 33.2[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Irving apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (2015):[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 5.2, 25.0%[/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN: 2.5, 13.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 2.2, 10.7%[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron: 6.3, 30.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Mo Williams apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron: 4.1, 20.1%[/COLOR]



[COLOR="Blue"]Naturally, Lebron's all of TEAMS have low assist frequency relative to his peers's teams:[/COLOR]


POSSESSIONS PER ASSIST (HIGHER NUMBER MEANS LESS PASSING)


2015 Cavs: 92.3/22.1 = [COLOR="red"]4.18[/COLOR]
2014 Heat: 91.2/22.5 = [COLOR="Red"]4.05[/COLOR]
2013 Heat: 90.7/23.0 = [COLOR="Red"]3.94[/COLOR]
2012 Heat: 91.2/20.0 = [COLOR="Red"]4.56[/COLOR]
2011 Heat: 90.9/20.0 = [COLOR="red"]4.55[/COLOR]
2010 Cavs: 91.4/22.4 = [COLOR="Red"]4.08[/COLOR]
2009 Cavs: 88.7/20.3 = [COLOR="Red"]4.37[/COLOR]
2008 Cavs: 90.2/20.0 = [COLOR="Red"]4.51[/COLOR]
2007 Cavs: 90.8/20.8 = [COLOR="Red"]4.37[/COLOR]
2006 Cavs: 89.8/19.0 = [COLOR="Red"]4.72[/COLOR]


1998 Bulls: 89.0/23.8 = [COLOR="Blue"]3.74[/COLOR]
1997 Bulls: 90.0/26.1 = [COLOR="Blue"]3.45[/COLOR]
1996 Bulls: 91.1/24.8 = [COLOR="Blue"]3.67[/COLOR]
1993 Bulls: 92.5/26.0 = [COLOR="Blue"]3.56[/COLOR]
1992 Bulls: 94.4/27.8 = [COLOR="Blue"]3.40[/COLOR]
1991 Bulls: 95.6/27.0 = [COLOR="Blue"]3.54[/COLOR]
1990 Bulls: 96.7/26.5 = [COLOR="Blue"]3.65[/COLOR]
1989 Bulls: 97.0/27.0 = [COLOR="Blue"]3.59[/COLOR]
1988 Bulls: 95.5/26.2 = [COLOR="Blue"]3.65[/COLOR]
1987 Bulls: 95.8/26.1 = [COLOR="Blue"]3.67[/COLOR]
1985 Bulls: 99.4/24.3 = [COLOR="Blue"]4.09[/COLOR]


2015 GSW:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 98.3/27.4 = [COLOR="Magenta"]3.59[/COLOR]
2014 Spurs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 95.0/25.2 = [COLOR="Magenta"]3.77[/COLOR]
2011 Mavs:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 91.3/23.8 = [COLOR="Magenta"]3.84[/COLOR]
2007 Spurs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 89.8/22.1 = [COLOR="Magenta"]4.06[/COLOR]

1987 Lakers: 101.6/29.6 = [COLOR="darkgreen"]3.43[/COLOR]
1986 Celtics: 102.1/29.1 = [COLOR="darkgreen"]3.47[/COLOR]

Source: basketball-reference.com
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[Hey Yo]

The OP's stats shows teammates' APG and assist % with and without Lebron:


[COLOR="Green"]Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 6.6, 34.8% [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Wade apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'): 4.7, 25.5% [/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 2.2, 10.5%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Bosh apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'): 1.6, [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]8.0% [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'): 5.8, 33.2[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Irving apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (2015):[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 5.2, 25.0%[/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN: 2.5, 13.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 2.2, 10.7%[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron: 6.3, 30.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Mo Williams apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron: 4.1, 20.1%[/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Pippen apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Jordan 91'-93': 6.5, 24.5[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Pippen apg and assist % w/out Jordan 94'-95': 5.4, 23.7[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Green"]Pippen apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Jordan 96'-98': 5.8, 25.1[/COLOR]

Bosh with Toronto, lowest assist avg. for a year 1.0....with Miami 1.1

Love with Minny, (not counting rookie year) lowest 1.5.......with Cleveland 2.4

Kyrie lowest w/o LeBron, 5.4.....lowest with 5.2

Mo's lowest (not counting his rookie year) w/o 4.0......with, 4.1

Wade's lowest 4.5....with LeBron 4.6.

Where's the significance??

[Hey Yo]

Are you stupid?

I posted the AVERAGES of their assist averages with and without Lebron.. Your comparison of the lowest season compared to the lowest season is garbage.

But their worst season w/o should be significantly better than their worst year with LeBron, ya dope.

It's not garbage, it's FACT

LOL @ significantly lower.

what next, you gonna compare in game used jockstraps?

[3ball]

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Assist Percentage 1991-1993 Playoffs:

Jordan: [COLOR="Red"]31.1%[/COLOR]
Pippen: [COLOR="Red"]23.3%[/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...yoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...yoffs_advanced


Assist Percentage 1996-1998 Playoffs:

Jordan: [COLOR="Red"]22.3%[/COLOR]
Pippen: [COLOR="Red"]22.0%[/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...yoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...yoffs_advanced
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[sd3035]

3ball






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[warriorfan]

Keep up the good work.

[ShawkFactory]

3ball craters my brain cells

[kshutts1]

Wtf are you talking about - I just made two threads that posted stats showing Lebron significantly reduced the assists of teammates and that all his teams have very low assist frequency - YOU are the one not responding to or acknowledging these statistical facts.



Pippen played in the triangle with and without Jordan, so the type of offense has no impact on why Pippen's assists were higher WITH Jordan, and lower without.

My entire response was geared toward your premise
And of course type of offense matters, just as the quality of teammates matter.
Offense matters more in regards to Bosh, Irving, Wade, whereas teammates matter in terms of Pippen.

You are the one that is failing to recognize the contextual differences created by running completely different offenses, and also by having significantly worse teammates.

[3ball]

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[COLOR="White"]...........[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"]Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor[/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"].........................[/COLOR]RS[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR]RS 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] PO[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]PO 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]Finals[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4[COLOR="DarkGreen"] <---- these are links to nba.com data[/COLOR]
JORDAN 1998... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1

LEBRON 2015... 30.1..... 38.9..... 35.0..... 42.4...... 40.0...... 44.5
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[Hey Yo]

Bosh with Toronto, lowest assist avg. for a year 1.0....with Miami 1.1

Love with Minny, (not counting rookie year) lowest 1.5.......with Cleveland 2.4

Kyrie lowest w/o LeBron, 5.4.....lowest with 5.2

Mo's lowest (not counting his rookie year) w/o 4.0......with, 4.1

Wade's lowest 4.5....with LeBron 4.6.

Where's the significant reduction?

[3ball]

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[COLOR="White"]................[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"]Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor[/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"].........................[/COLOR]RS[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR]RS 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] PO[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]PO 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]Finals[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<--- links to nba.com data[/COLOR]
JORDAN 1998... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1

CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2..... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 35.0..... 39.3
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[dunksby]

Where them OP is a ****** memes at?

[3ball]

Where them OP is a ****** memes at?

As the stats show, Lebron's presence significantly lowered the APG and assist percentage of Dwayne Wade, Kyrie Irving, Mo Williams, Kevin Love and Chris Bosh - these guys went from playmakers that generated action and got assists, to play-finishers that didn't make plays or get assists - this is a statistical fact.. Their lower assist rates explains why Lebron's TEAMS have always had very low assist frequency (shown above).

The statistical reality is that Lebron's presence as an additional, low-assisted ball-dominator (in addition to the PG) creates an inequitable distribution of playmaking that prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that all the great teams use (90's Bulls, Spurs, Kerr's Warriors)... Since Lebron's ball-dominance prevents his teams from playing the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents are able to pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014)..

Otoh, MJ's off-ball game allowed his teams to play an equal-opportunity offense and the best brand of basketball, which meant that equal or less-talented opponents could never pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball - MJ's teams were never upset by equal or lesser talented teams.. Btw, it takes more ability to achieve great stats within an equal-opportunity, winning framework, than the grade school-level, clearout/playground style that ball-dominators like Lebron need to get their numbers.

[Straight_Ballin]

horseshit - why didn't Pippen's assists go down alongisde MJ - instead, Pippen's assists went UP alongisde MJ (the stats are in the OP).

otoh, everyone else's cratered alongside lebron..... whereas pippen's went UP alongside Jordan and DOWN when Jordan wasn't there... hmmm....

what was it about mj's presence that made it easier for Pippen to get an assist... hmmmm... that's a tough one boss.. ahem... highly-assisted off-ball play.. ahem
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Can't really use Pippen. bron can't outplay pippen in any scenario, so you think wade as a 2nd option can? I agree, Lebron is a cancer and that's why his teammates are rendered near useless for assists because he has the ball in his hand so much when he should actually be playing within the flow of the offense like Jordan did. Just another reason why Bron is inferior to Jordan.

[Hey Yo]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/significant

Significant:

large enough to be noticed or have an effect

you're welcome, chico.