Dwight Howard should of been the MVP this year and we all know it. Derrick Rose has turned into a superb player and a superstar but Dwight was the most valuable to his team. Dwight is probably the only superstar in the game where when you pull him out of games the defense and offense literally go to sh** right away.
So my question is this. Why has the league over the years started just picking the best player on the team with the best record rather than the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER to his team? I understand winning is important but the Magic were still a higher seed in the east and Dwight clearly was the most dominant all around player this year. I'd say Rose deserved 2nd or 3rd.. but this MVP should of been Dwight's.
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09-16-2011, 03:29 PM #1Clipper Nation Soldier
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MVP voting has become a joke
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09-16-2011, 03:33 PM #2Good High School Starter
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this isn't new. its always been the same criteria
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09-16-2011, 03:35 PM #3Clipper Nation Soldier
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I think it's progressively gotten worse though.
Originally Posted by Miller for 3
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09-16-2011, 03:37 PM #47-time NBA All-Star
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They often pick the star whose team exceeds expectations the most in the past 10 years or so, the media favors a good story over the guy who truly deserves the award the most. Somehow exceeding expectations one year makes a player more valuable than guys who regularly lead their teams to contending records by that logic. We've seen this with Iverson, Nash and Rose, though I do think that Nash was just about the best choice in '05 considering the candidates, and he had a good case in '06, but a lot of the emphasis was on the Suns turnaround and then the Suns winning without Stoudemire.
Look at Kidd's 2002 season as another example, Kidd almost wins the award, though ultimately the correct choice was made(Duncan). But Kidd almost won due to the Nets turnaround.
However, the very next season, Duncan wins the award again with a similar season to his '02 regular season in both wins and individual performance. But Kidd plays better than he did in 2002, yet drops from 2nd to 9th in voting and goes from 45 first place votes in 2002 to 0 in 2003.
It just shows you that the media gets caught up in a good story.
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09-16-2011, 03:42 PM #5Clipper Nation Soldier
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Definitely. This is why we saw Shaq get robbed so many times for MVP. Because the Lakers were consistently good... and didn't have some crazy turn around (besides in the beginning). Shaq was the most complete, dominant and important player for like 5 years straight in the NBA and should have at least 3 MVP's. It just bugs me how it's decided. MOST VALUABLE PLAYER not BEST PLAYER ON BEST TEAM is what the award is called. Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
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09-16-2011, 03:43 PM #6NBA Legend
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it has always been the same criteria.....
look around and research all the MVP winners in NBA history and you will find out two things all of them had incommon:
1. They had one of 1-4 best team records, which means no player in NBA history has won a MVP having lower than 4th best team record in the NBA... no matter if he averaged a 100 point quadruple double.... which means TEAM SUCCESS is priority #1.........
2. They were the best players in their team.. obviously....
going by that you would now understand exactly why ANYBODY won the MVP any year... ANY year....
take Dwight / Lebron / Dirk / Rose for example.....
DWIGHT = He was the best player in his team and had amazing productions, but he had the 8th best team record.... which automatically rules him out as a runaway winner, but still in discussion...
LEBRON = He was the best player in his team and had the best productions in the NBA and had one of the best team records.... BUT, he had Wade & Bosh... so that takes him down...
DIRK = He was the best player in his team, didnt had the best productions, but had one of the best team records..... it was just not enough...
ROSE = He was the best player in his team by very far, had one of the best productions in the NBA... and had the best team record in the NBA....
YOU SEE.... THATS WHY ROSE WAS THE CORRECT WINNER........... EVEN THO HE IS THE WORST PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY TO WIN A MVP......... HE WAS THE CORRECT CHOICE....
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09-16-2011, 03:48 PM #7Clipper Nation Soldier
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Just because it's become the norm doesn't mean it's the right way. I just think it's a very flawed system and most legit fans agree. You can be the most valuable player in the NBA and have the 8th best record in the league. Why? Because it's a team sport. Sh** happens. Some guys have bad talent or the wrong pieces around them like Dwight. Some guys have injury prone teammates. I mean there are too many variables to be accounted for to just vote black and white like that. Originally Posted by pauk
Top 4 seed, best player on that team= automatic win is BS.
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09-16-2011, 04:02 PM #8Lol
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I usually think MVP should go the best player, because the best player adds the most value to a team regardless of how good the team is with or without them...but if we go strictly by the player whose team needed him the most, D12 was hands down the MVP IMO. Plus, you could make a great case for him being the best individual player this year as well.
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09-16-2011, 04:09 PM #9Clipper Nation Soldier
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Exactly. Anyone who has his efficiency ratings, puts up 23 ppg AND wins 3 straight DPOY's while being a dominant all around player on a consistent contender... deserves the MVP. Dwight hands down is the most impactful player on the game and for his team. A few of our stat junkies here have posted stats basically proving without Dwight the Magic aren't even a top 15 defense.. with him they are consistently top 5. His impact is MASSIVE. Originally Posted by RRR3
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09-16-2011, 04:19 PM #10Bulls
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25 ppg and 7.7 apg with 62-20 (1st)
22.9 ppg 14.1 rpg with 52-30 (8th)
Rose deserved very well.Howard should win IBM award or something.But Lebron James has a case for it as well.
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09-16-2011, 04:23 PM #11Local High School Star
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pauk with a quality post
indeed it is all about the record.
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09-16-2011, 04:23 PM #12Clipper Nation Soldier
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Originally Posted by rodman91
. 23 ppg, 14 rpg and 2.5+ bpg is an INCREDIBLE season dude. Doesn't matter if it was 1st best record in the league vs 8th. It's MOST VALUABLE PLAYER and Dwight was clearly a more valuable asset to his team than Rose. Take Rose off the Bulls and with a healthy squad of Noah, Deng and Boozer they still at least get a middle seed in the playoffs. Take Dwight off the Magic and they clearly miss the playoffs with a big 3 of washed up Gilbert Arenas, Turkoglu and Jameer Nelson? I mean comon dude.
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09-16-2011, 04:29 PM #13Moderator
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MVP has never been the best player award
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09-16-2011, 04:42 PM #1411/13
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MVP is a worthless award. Nash has as many as Kobe+Shaq put together.
If you want to know who the true best player is look at the Finals MVP. Not regular season.
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09-16-2011, 04:43 PM #15Bulls
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Noah,Deng and Boozer? Noah is all about hustle.Deng has been always inconsistent and Boozer is a guy even Bulls fans doesn't like. Also they had injuries all season. Originally Posted by Clippersfan86
. 23 ppg, 14 rpg and 2.5+ bpg is an INCREDIBLE season dude. Doesn't matter if it was 1st best record in the league vs 8th. It's MOST VALUABLE PLAYER and Dwight was clearly a more valuable asset to his team than Rose. Take Rose off the Bulls and with a healthy squad of Noah, Deng and Boozer they still at least get a middle seed in the playoffs. Take Dwight off the Magic and they clearly miss the playoffs with a big 3 of washed up Gilbert Arenas, Turkoglu and Jameer Nelson? I mean comon dude.
Take out Rose and with all those injuries, they would be out off playoffs probably.
23 and 14 is great numbers but he should have Wilt like numbers to win MVP probably.MVP is given mostly best player on one of the best teams.
Don't get me wrong, i would prefer Howard on my team instead of Rose but team record is really important in MVP voting.And Bulls wasn't a team suppose to have best record in NBA.
If it was about giving an award to best player, Howard would have better chance than Rose for sure.
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