One image that haters cant explain

[pegasus]

That's why they are called 1a and 1b and their rings are equally valuable.

[aj1987]

Kobe - 29.4/7.3/6.1/1.6/0.8 22.4 shots a game
Shaq - 30.4/15.4/3.2/0.4/2.4 on 21.5 shots a game

So, Kobe took 1 shot more per game and scored 1 point less than Shaq.

Those numbers are for the entire playoffs, BTW.

[Sakkreth]

That's why they are called 1a and 1b and their rings are equally valuable.

Nah kobe was 5th option after 3 refs and shaq.

[Derka]

... This is from the 2nd round

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[nathanjizzle]

finals mvp, not rape mvp.

[BoutPractice]

That 1a and 1b thing is historical revisionism by fanatics. Back then most knowledgable, "moderate" fans saw it as a clear number first and second option arrangement (albeit a historically brilliant second option).

Here are the facts:

- In the 2000 and 2001 Finals, Kobe's youth and immaturity (completely understandable for his age) showed, and Shaq had to carry a tremendous load to finish the job. Kobe's ppg dropped by 7 in 2000, then 4 in 2001, compared to the regular season, while Shaq's ppg increased by 8 in 2000 and 4 in 2001. The ppg differential between Kobe and Shaq in 2000 and 2001 were -22 and -8, respectively. The Finals weren't particularly competitive and this was mainly due to Shaq's dominance.

- Kobe had his best Finals of the Shaq era in 2002... and still scored a full 10 ppg less than Shaq.

- Shaq's PPG, RPG, FG%, and PER were superior to Kobe's in 2000, 2001, and 2002, both in the regular season and in the playoffs. He placed higher in the MVP votes than Kobe every single year, winning the award in 2001 while the highest Kobe placed in that period was 5.

- ...Just watch the games, really.


On this particular matter, the case should have been closed a decade ago.

Kobe was one of the, if not the, best second option of all time in the Shaq era, and had his moment as "the man" later, where he impressively led the Lakers to back-to-back championships. But the early 2000s threepeat was Shaq-led.

[-Lebron23-]

OP is a Lebron stan trolling you guys

[red1]

sure I can

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[T_L_P]

Literally everyone just explained it.

[red1]

That's why they are called 1a and 1b and their rings are equally valuable.

[ArbitraryWater]

That's why they are called 1a and 1b and their rings are equally valuable.

[NugzFan]

"Shaq is FMVP in 01"

Even if that's from the finals, what is your point? Why shouldn't shaq have been MVP?

[tpols]

That 1a and 1b thing is historical revisionism by fanatics. Back then most knowledgable, "moderate" fans saw it as a clear number first and second option arrangement (albeit a historically brilliant second option).

Here are the facts:

- In the 2000 and 2001 Finals, Kobe's youth and immaturity (completely understandable for his age) showed, and Shaq had to carry a tremendous load to finish the job. [B]Kobe's ppg dropped by 7 in 2000, then 4 in 2001, compared to the regular season, while Shaq's ppg increased by 8 in 2000 and 4 in 2001. The ppg differential between Kobe and Shaq in 2000 and 2001 were -22 and -8, respectively. The Finals weren't particularly competitive and this was mainly due to Shaq's dominance.

Carry a tremendous load to finish the job?? LA won their Finals 12-3 and faced very little resistance.

LA's Finals opponents in 2001 and 2002 had less wins than both their WCF opponents and their second round opponents.. Their toughest battles were always out west. Here's the real stats vs their best opponents

2001 WCF vs the spurs

Kobe 33/7/7 vs Shaq 27/13/2


2001 second round vs the Kings

Kobe 35/9/4 vs Shaq 33/17/2


2002 second round vs the spurs

Kobe 26/5/5 vs Shaq 21/12/3


2002 WCF vs the Kings

Kobe 27/6/4 vs Shaq 30/14/2


Home/Road production in 01 West




Kobe also led all players in playoff fourth quarter scoring in 01 and 02, and was one of if not the most clutch player in the league those years while shaq was a liability closing tight games. It's not revisionist history... its all there for you to see. If Shaq was a 10/10 overall, Kobe was a 9.5/10 when it mattered.. miniscule difference.

[Solefade]

That's why they are called 1a and 1b and their rings are equally valuable.

never heard this before but who is this according to? kobetards?