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    Default Re: All time PER in playoffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by dubeta
    I'm telling you when look at it objectively Kobe is not even in the discussion with Bran

    Kobe stans love to hide behind sidekick rings and 81 points but all advanced statistics show Bran>>>>> Kobe and its not even close

    When will the stans learn?
    All advanced stats have Lebron as top 2-3 of all time, but these stat's will likely go down as he ages.

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    Default Re: All time PER in playoffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by dubeta
    I'm telling you when look at it objectively Kobe is not even in the discussion with Bran

    Kobe stans love to hide behind sidekick rings and 81 points but all advanced statistics show Bran>>>>> Kobe and its not even close

    When will the stans learn?
    Even his stans are calling him Bran now? Kobe>>>Bran. 5>>>2 due to collusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VengefulAngel
    All 30 + PER playoff runs

    LBJ is having another 30 + PER playoff run.

    1. Hakeem Olajuwon* 38.96 1988 HOU
    2. LeBron James 37.39 2009 CLE
    3. George Mikan* 33.58 1954 MNL
    4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 32.35 1977 LAL
    5. Michael Jordan* 32.04 1991 CHI
    6. Julius Erving* 31.98 1976 NYA
    7. Tim Duncan 31.80 2002 SAS
    8. Michael Jordan* 31.67 1990 CHI
    9. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.31 1964 SFW
    10. Shaquille O'Neal 31.00 1998 LAL
    11. Chris Paul 30.70 2008 NOH
    12. Shaquille O'Neal 30.61 2003 LAL
    13. Shaquille O'Neal 30.45 2000 LAL
    14. Julius Erving* 30.45 1972 VIR
    15. Tim Duncan 30.39 2006 SAS
    16. LeBron James 30.34 2012 MIA
    17. Michael Jordan* 30.06 1993 CHI
    So according to Hollinger's made up formula, Shaq was better in the 1998 and 2003 playoffs than he was in the 2000 and 2001 playoffs. Obviously, we all know that Shaq in the 2000 and 2001 playoffs was easily better than he was in the 1998/2003 playoffs and we also know that Shaq in 2000/2001 was better than Shaq in 1998.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ne 1
    So according to Hollinger's made up formula, Shaq was better in the 1998 and 2003 playoffs than he was in the 2000 and 2001 playoffs. Obviously, we all know that Shaq in the 2000 and 2001 playoffs was easily better than he was in the 1998/2003 playoffs and we also know that Shaq in 2000/2001 was better than Shaq in 1998.
    You obviously have no idea what PER is...

    Before you comment please do some research...

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    Default Re: All time PER in playoffs.

    Mikan doesn't count since he played in a weak era. But after that it's no surprise to see the two greatest players ever (Jordan and LeBron) at 1 and 2. Notice how Kobe and Bird (probably the two most overrated players) are nowhere to be found.

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    Default Re: All time PER in playoffs.

    What's mj and bran's PER during the finals?

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    Default Re: All time PER in playoffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by tpols
    Exactly.



    Your argument made no sense... you tried to discredit PER, and failed.

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    Default Re: All time PER in playoffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater


    Your argument made no sense... you tried to discredit PER, and failed.
    He pwned you to be fair

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    Default Re: All time PER in playoffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ne 1
    So according to Hollinger's made up formula, Shaq was better in the 1998 and 2003 playoffs than he was in the 2000 and 2001 playoffs. Obviously, we all know that Shaq in the 2000 and 2001 playoffs was easily better than he was in the 1998/2003 playoffs and we also know that Shaq in 2000/2001 was better than Shaq in 1998.
    You retards ever heard of sample size?

    If we are strictly comparing the 1998 and 2000 Runs through 3 Rounds, then yeah, why not?

    1998: 31/10/3/1/3 on 61%
    2000: 28/15/3/0/2 on 55%

    Got him beat in 4 of the 6 categories and one is tied

    Looks somewhat reasonable to me... PER puts a big focus to scoring, that's definitely where it comes from.
    Last edited by ArbitraryWater; 05-24-2014 at 08:43 AM.

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    Default Re: All time PER in playoffs.

    Duncan has one of the greatest peak. This proves it!

    Duncan > Kobe !

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    Default Re: All time PER in playoffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by VengefulAngel
    You obviously have no idea what PER is...

    Before you comment please do some research...
    But I do know. PER is a subjective and flawed formula made up by John Hollinger. Hollinger gave the most value to what he thought was most important. Essentially anyone could make a similar stat to PER crediting one category more then another, and thus the list would change.

    It isn't anymore viable then if anyone on this site were to make a formula up with their personal beliefs of how stats should be valued.

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    Default Re: All time PER in playoffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by VengefulAngel
    Rank Player PER
    1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
    2. George Mikan* 28.51
    3. LeBron James 27.54
    4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
    5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
    6. Chris Paul 25.08
    7. Tim Duncan 24.72
    8. Kevin Durant 24.45
    9. Charles Barkley* 24.18
    10. Dirk Nowitzki

    MJ and LBJ.

    Other Notables:
    14. Dwyane Wade 23.08
    15. Jerry West* 23.06
    17. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
    22. Kobe Bryant 22.40
    23. Russell Westbrook 22.18
    It's nice that you left out Dwight Howard right at #11 all-time with 23.8, OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketswin2013
    It's nice that you left out Dwight Howard right at #11 all-time with 23.8, OP.
    Sorry Dwight, sorry Rocketswin, don't take it personally...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VengefulAngel
    Sorry Dwight, sorry Rocketswin, don't take it personally...

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