In your opinion, was Kobe a better shooter than Jordan?

[3ball]

Jerry West thought MJ was the best jumpshooter in the game (2nd paragraph):

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-05-...chael-jordan/4


Ron Artest said MJ was Reggie Miller from mid-range:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dXZxj6Zbc&t=0m57s


People don't realize that MJ was the best athlete in the game AND the best jumpshooter - MJ was like a mid-range version of Steph Curry, with GOAT athleticism.
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[Soundwave]

Kobe's a better 3 point shooter than MJ, but Jordan is a better mid-range shooter and a better finisher at the rim/in the key.

[TheBigVeto]

No, definitely not. Jordan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe.
But Jordan isn't GOAT jumpshooter in the history of the game, that's just Jordantard talk.

[f0und]

kobe is only slightly better than jordan in 3pt%...in the regular season. and thats pretty much it. jordan's 3pt% was better in the playoffs and in the finals. and everywhere else(midrange, in the paint) in every other circumstance, jordan was better.

kobe gives you the illusion of being a better shooter by taking alot of tough shots and making some of them. for some idiots, kobe gets a few extra admiration points for each make. like how alpha it is. how tough it is. how noone else could make it. but they never stop to think how absolutely stupid that shot is in the first place.

[f0und]

Kobe taking a contested mid range shot was a much better decision than letting Smush Parker/Kwame Brown/whoever else take ANY shot ANYWHERE on the floor, and those are simply facts.

Kobe's bbiq is higher than anyone on this stupid forum. If you think he was chucking to chuck, you're dumb as hell.

thats no excuse. his efficiency from that time is about the same as it was during his time with shaq. or his time with team USA. the fact is, it doesnt matter who he plays with, he always takes dumb shots. and plus, he's not as good a shooter as people make him out to be.

[julizaver]

https://youtu.be/P2vNyQAf4tY

https://youtu.be/PoYeFQ4Q1Go


The baseline one dribble pull up J is just filthy.

If they are in a gym shooting 3 pointers or FTs Kobe had a chanse to outshoot Jordan. But this doesn't count as Jordan was the better player, better scorer (high efficient) and better player overall. In his prime years 87-93 he was virtually unstopable and doesn't need 3 pointers to dominate the game. He scored on jump shots, fadeaways, was strong finisher at the post (lay ups, dunks). Although Kobe perfected some of his moves he tryes a lot of risky, sometimes unusually difficult shots, gambling on offence instead of just pass the ball (something he could do btw).

[PsychoBe]

thats no excuse. his efficiency from that time is about the same as it was during his time with shaq. or his time with team USA. the fact is, it doesnt matter who he plays with, he always takes dumb shots. and plus, he's not as good a shooter as people make him out to be.

kobe takes "dumb" shots because he makes "dumb" shots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0OfOIDLsIo

no other basketball player in the history of game has consistently made these kind of shots. none.

[plowking]

kobe takes "dumb" shots because he makes "dumb" shots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0OfOIDLsIo

no other basketball player in the history of game has consistently made these kind of shots. none.

There is nothing consistent about it. Your argument is all over the place.

You guys say his shooting percentages are lower because of these shots he takes, but then he somehow makes them consistently? Do you know the word "oxymoron"?

[Kobe_6/8]

Yes, he's better in long mid-range and better from 3 by a wide margin.
They're pretty equal in short-mid mid-range.

[PsychoBe]

There is nothing consistent about it. Your argument is all over the place.

You guys say his shooting percentages are lower because of these shots he takes, but then he somehow makes them consistently? Do you know the word "oxymoron"?

what an amazing strawman.

first off, kobe doesn't have "low" shooting percentages, he has been pretty much well above the league average his entire career (league average is around 42-44% and kobe is consistently around 45-47%, which is only 1-2 makes below 50% i.e. 18-40 or 20-42).

secondly, i was merely explaining why kobe takes the kind of shots he does...because he can make them. you call them "dumb" shots, but they're not dumb for kobe, because he can, and has, made them.

none of your favorite players can make the kinds of shots kobe has made. none.

[comerb]

From 3? Kobe.

From midrange? Jordan.

[Cold soul]

Jordan better from mid range but it's a lot closer than some will admit.

[comerb]

secondly, i was merely explaining why kobe takes the kind of shots he does...because he can make them. you call them "dumb" shots, but they're not dumb for kobe, because he can, and has, made them.

Kobe's circus shots are shot well below the league average for shooting percentage, and they've dragged what would be an otherwise extremely efficient scorer down. It doesn't matter if he "can and has made them". They're stupid and inefficient, and he insistence on taking them is one of the primary black marks against his game.

[f0und]

what an amazing strawman.

first off, kobe doesn't have "low" shooting percentages, he has been pretty much well above the league average his entire career (league average is around 42-44% and kobe is consistently around 45-47%, which is only 1-2 makes below 50% i.e. 18-40 or 20-42).

secondly, i was merely explaining why kobe takes the kind of shots he does...because he can make them. you call them "dumb" shots, but they're not dumb for kobe, because he can, and has, made them.

none of your favorite players can make the kinds of shots kobe has made. none.

kobe kids say all the time "the only difference between 45% and 50% is 1 shot out of 20". well thats stupid because the real world results dont turn out that way.

because kobe is such a stupid shot jacker and an overrated shooter, his shooting is unreliable. in nearly 1 out of every 3 games he has a game shooting under 40%. in comparison to jordan, who is a smart shot taker and good midrange shooter, he shoots under 40% in about 1 out of 8 games. thats something you can rely on.

and because jordan takes smarter shots and is a good shooter, he's more likely than kobe to get on a hot streak.

when we talk about the great scorers in nba history, jordan ranks up near the top in every statistical category in scoring records, volume, and efficiency. kobe on the other hand is up there in volume, but is at the bottom in nearly every efficiency category. that should tell you something. but yeah, lets keep pretending that theyre equal scorers and shooters.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kobe was better outside 23 feet. Jordan was better everywhere else. As you get 21 feet and in, Jordan's edge gets larger and larger the close in you get. All the data we have shows MJ to be an all-time level midrange shooter. The data shows only that Kobe is good, not all-time level. Jordan was automatic from midrange.

IIRC, MJ was in the 47-50% range from midrange for the years/stretches we have data for, while Kobe is in the 43-45% range.