5 Rings

[rmt]

You can do this with any great player to try and discredit them.

Duncan:

1. Faced 27-23 Knicks without Ewing in '99
2. Dallas was inevitable to win it all in '03 before Dirk got hurt
3. Went 10-27 in game 7 of the '05 finals and got "carried" by his teammates
4. Rigged 2007 WCSF
5. Ibaka missed 1st 2 games against the Spurs in '14

"His complete game is so sound, so fundamnetal, so unnoticed at times, because if he didn't score, people think, 'Well, he didn't do anything,'" Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. "But he was incredible and he was the force that got it done for us."

"You follow your leader," Spurs guard Tony Parker said. "Timmy is the leader of the team, and he just carried us tonight."

"He put his team on his shoulders and carried them to a championship," Pistons center Ben Wallace said. "That's what the great players do."

"A lot of the shots they made, open shots, came as a result of us having a hard time guarding him," Brown said. "That's why he's such a great player."

[Lensanity]

i know its off season but the site could still benefit from banning op

Is your butt ok?

[ShawkFactory]

Wow Lebron couldn't get it done against a cup cake team with an all star point guard by his side

Allstar point guard by his side?? Psshhh, check what mo did against Orlando

Edit: I know you're trolling back the troll. Carry on.

[Young X]

"His complete game is so sound, so fundamnetal, so unnoticed at times, because if he didn't score, people think, 'Well, he didn't do anything,'" Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. "But he was incredible and he was the force that got it done for us."

"You follow your leader," Spurs guard Tony Parker said. "Timmy is the leader of the team, and he just carried us tonight."

"He put his team on his shoulders and carried them to a championship," Pistons center Ben Wallace said. "That's what the great players do."

"A lot of the shots they made, open shots, came as a result of us having a hard time guarding him," Brown said. "That's why he's such a great player."

That's why I put quotation marks around the word carried.

My post was supposed to sound stupid.

Every great player benefits from fortunate situations, that's a part of being a champion. Kobe's no different. Trying to discredit his rings is stupid as you can do the same thing for everybody else.

[HylianNightmare]

Who cares?

This

[Sportal]

Who cares?

He is a great player regardless. Like many Lakers though he is the beneficiary of great circumstance and is overrated in general. Same thing for Kareem and Magic, etc. If they never play for the Lakers, they aren't as highly regarded or talked about, hence not as high on the all time lists.

I remember people here talking about Kobe being top 10 all time around 2007... Wouldn't have been the case if he wasn't a Laker. 3 sidekick titles, no MVP's and a bunch of great numbers is what "the larger basketball fanbase" considered enough to be top 10. Basketball media and fans are most prevalent in NY and LA, so as soon as someone is close to greatness they leapfrog them up a bunch of spots.
I mean look at Wade now. 3 titles in which he played a bigger part than Kobe did in his 3 prior to winning the double after, a finals MVP, and a bunch of great numbers. Yet no one is putting him top 10 or close, are they? Nope, but they would if he had been a lifelong Laker.

Agree with you until the Wade parts. Everything else was spot on.

As a person who dislikes the majority of the irrational Laker fans, their franchise has got it done year after, up until the last couple. Hey, if CP3 didn't get vetoed who knows, right..? Their coach (yes, singular) and their FO had the Lakers as the top most desired destination for a NBA player, for, at least a decade. There has not been a comparable one in that period of time. Cleveland got to the 2007 finals and STILL couldn't recruit like the Lakers.

Anyway, being the top destination in the league, with one of the most accomplished histories in the sport, combined with obnoxious fans, could very well lead to practically any good member in that Lakers team to be "overrated".

[rmt]

That's why I put quotation marks around the word carried.

My post was supposed to sound stupid.

Every great player benefits from fortunate situations, that's a part of being a champion. Kobe's no different. Trying to discredit his rings is stupid as you can do the same thing for everybody else.

Sorry.

I think it's hard to do that to MJ - there's no doubt he was the man.

[Bandito]

I see someone is catching feelings.

With how many emoticons you using in each post I would say is you. Ive noticed when you are mad you tend to post a lot of emoticons.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Op is proof that pot is bad for you.

Im quitting cause of this retard

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Who cares?

He is a great player regardless. Like many Lakers though he is the beneficiary of great circumstance and is overrated in general. Same thing for Kareem and Magic, etc. If they never play for the Lakers, they aren't as highly regarded or talked about, hence not as high on the all time lists.

I remember people here talking about Kobe being top 10 all time around 2007... Wouldn't have been the case if he wasn't a Laker. 3 sidekick titles, no MVP's and a bunch of great numbers is what "the larger basketball fanbase" considered enough to be top 10. Basketball media and fans are most prevalent in NY and LA, so as soon as someone is close to greatness they leapfrog them up a bunch of spots.
I mean look at Wade now. 3 titles in which he played a bigger part than Kobe did in his 3 prior to winning the double after, a finals MVP, and a bunch of great numbers. Yet no one is putting him top 10 or close, are they? Nope, but they would if he had been a lifelong Laker.

Great post!

Any posters whinging about Kobe's 01 & 02 impact >>> Wade's 12 & 13, maybe so, but why leave out Wade's best and Kobe's worst finals out of the equation?
That hardly seems like a fair comparison.

[plowking]

01 Kobe: 29/7/6

12 Wade: 23/5/4


02 Kobe: 27/5/6

13 Wade: 16/5/5


eat shit plowking

You are the single biggest moron on here. Absolutely running away with that title. You chop and screw and change your arguments to suit you. In another thread it was using Wade's particular numbers to suit you to make it look like Bron didn't carry much. Now it is the opposite when Bron isn't in the question.

F*ck off cupcake.

The fact that Wade won a finals MVP in 3 of his titles, while being 2nd best in the other two means that yes, he did in fact have more to do with his 3 titles than Kobe did his.

Over those 3 finals, Wade averaged 26/6/5...
Over Kobe's 3 finals, Kobe averaged 23/6/5...

So, yes, Wade did have the better contribution in winning. Then we can include their losses too, and Wade pushes further ahead with a great showing against Dallas, and Kobe with his abysmal one against Detroit.


So, once again, playing in LA clearly helps rep, and your spot on the all time list. You've been made to look stupid once again. Cheers.

[plowking]

Talk about being intellectually dishonest...

The bold is completely laughable. Wade in 2012 and 2013 didn't play a "bigger role" to the Heat winning championships than Kobe did for his team in 2001 and 2002.

Kobe was a top 3 player in 2001. Wade? Maybe top 5 in 2012, but in 2013 not even in the top 10.

Wade was just as good in the finals in 2012 as Kobe was against the Sixers.

23/6/5 in 40 minutes a game vs 25/8/5 in 47 minutes a game.

Wade could have easily stayed in game 5, and played more minutes, padded his stats while they were up 28 points, but he sat.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You are the single biggest moron on here. Absolutely running away with that title. You chop and screw and change your arguments to suit you. In another thread it was using Wade's particular numbers to suit you to make it look like Bron didn't carry much. Now it is the opposite when Bron isn't in the question.

F*ck off cupcake.

The fact that Wade won a finals MVP in 3 of his titles, while being 2nd best in the other two means that yes, he did in fact have more to do with his 3 titles than Kobe did his.

Over those 3 finals, Wade averaged 26/6/5...
Over Kobe's 3 finals, Kobe averaged 23/6/5...

So, yes, Wade did have the better contribution in winning. Then we can include their losses too, and Wade pushes further ahead with a great showing against Dallas, and Kobe with his abysmal one against Detroit.


So, once again, playing in LA clearly helps rep, and your spot on the all time list. You've been made to look stupid once again. Cheers.

and then you boil it down to a single series instead of looking at the entire playoff run..

literally nobody in this thread agrees with you, that statement is so ridiculous I won't even bother with you..

01 & 02 Kobe easily over 12 & 13 Wade

fuccing moron

[TheMarkMadsen]

this fuccing moron is seriously trying to argue that wade putting up 23/5/4 is contributing more to his team than Kobe putting up 29/7/6

and then when you look at the next year it gets even worse

Wade in 13 playoffs: 16/4/4

Kobe in 02 playoffs: 27/6/5

[Droid101]

lol "when he was good." Wallace played equal defense and wayyy better offense that post season. Get real.