injuries/benching derailed kobe's career for 8 years (97,98,05,11,13,14,15,16 )

[kennethgriffen]

realistically kobe was 5 for 7 in 12 total seasons


then if you factor in jerry buss's tanking aspirations while using kobe as a circus animal for 6 seasons admittedly... ask phil.. (05,06,07,14,15,16)


take away 2 more and kobe then actually played just 10 years in the league with a real chance at winning. went to the finals nearly every year


only bill russell matches that level of consistency

[72-10]

please widen your scope beyond Kobe Bryant

[kennethgriffen]

please widen your scope beyond Kobe Bryant

this is the first kobe thread i've made in months

[Phoenix]

Ok.

[sportjames23]

realistically kobe was 5 for 7 in 12 total seasons


then if you factor in jerry buss's tanking aspirations while using kobe as a circus animal for 6 seasons admittedly... ask phil.. (05,06,07,14,15,16)


take away 2 more and kobe then actually played just 10 years in the league with a real chance at winning. went to the finals nearly every year


only bill russell matches that level of consistency

Been a while since I picked up an issue of Slam, but has Lebron ever had an issue dedicated to him? Just wondering, not a dig on Bron.

[kennethgriffen]

Been a while since I picked up an issue of Slam, but has Lebron ever had an issue dedicated to him? Just wondering, not a dig on Bron.

[Manny98]

Only 2 1st option rings when LeBron has 3

Still only 1 MVP when LeBron has 4

Still only one season with a 28+ PER whilst LeBron has 8

0 seasons with at least .250 W/S per 48 when LeBron has 5

LeBron is just superior to Kobe in every way when will you just accept that Kobe is not top 5 worthy

[kennethgriffen]

Only 2 1st option rings when LeBron has 3

Still only 1 MVP when LeBron has 4

Still only one season with a 28+ PER whilst LeBron has 8

0 seasons with at least .250 W/S per 48 when LeBron has 5

LeBron is just superior to Kobe in every way when will you just accept that Kobe is not top 5 worthy

lebron ring chased to get his finals mvps

he left to join 2 other prime future hall of famers to get free accolades. they don't count

if lebron was proud of his sh*t he wouldn't feel a need to remind people all the time about how great he was


the fact that he has bail outs/suspensions/lockouts/roids ontop of that makes it even worse.


lebron is not great. he's being exposed for the fraud he's always been right now. in a real conference he can't even make the playoffs


kobe never missed the playoffs unless his teams were tanking due to massive injuries


the lakers are TRYING to make it right now and are only 2 games out. and they're getting shat on by teams like atlanta


how embarrassing


all your narratives are debunked


5 beats 0

lebron has 0 clean rings


kobe won all 5 with ZERO bail outs, ZERO ring chasing, ZERO collusion, ZERO called in favors/supensions, ZERO lockouts, ZERO steroids and ZERO breaking of any rules


kobe is and will always be better than lebron. don't believe me


ask the world





2016 -

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/sto...michael-jordan





2017 -

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/sto...es-kobe-bryant



2018 -

https://m.facebook.com/FirstTake/posts/1905404669519462

[Dray n Klay]

Kenneth list their 35 point triple doubles

[kennethgriffen]

Kenneth list their 35 point triple doubles

westbrook destroyed letriple doubles favorite stat. its not even talked about anymore

[Manny98]

No one cares about your stupid Facebook polls

What matters at the end of the day is 3 1st option rings beats 2

4 MVPs beats 1

And LeBron is vastly superior to Kobe in Win shares,PER,BPM and every single other statistic known to man

Kobe beats LeBron in absolutely nothing except Facebook polls and sidekick rings

[kennethgriffen]

No one cares about your stupid Facebook polls

What matters at the end of the day is 3 1st option rings beats 2

4 MVPs beats 1

And LeBron is vastly superior to Kobe in Win shares,PER,BPM and every single other statistic known to man

Kobe beats LeBron in absolutely nothing except Facebook polls and sidekick rings

kareem is arguable GOAT with 2 finals mvps


tons of guys are ahead of nash who has 2 regular season mvps

analytics have chris paul as the 7th greatest player ever ( PER and other formulas have been thoroughly debunked. ask max kellerman about his derozan raptor picks to make the finals the last 3 years )


kobe beats lebron in


- skills ( footwork/post game/mid range/degree of difficulty/off hand/counters/on ball defense are worth more than padding assists by stagnating the offense/chasing rebounds by sagging off defenders )

- legit championships/real finals mvps ( colluding/ring chasing/bail outs/lockouts/suspensions/roids ruin all of lebrons fraudulent success )

- clutch ( protecting your fg%/free throw failures by passing on every difficult clutch shot/drive doesn't help your team )

- leadership ( doesn't blame everything on teammates/puts guys in their correct spots )

- effort ( no DNP's for kobe due to "management/rest".. didn't quit playing defense in the middle of his prime )

- respect ( players/coaches/legends/fans all pick kobe. only nick wright/colin cowherd/max kellerman/shannon sharpe/henry abbott have ever picked lebron )

- brain power ( kobe can follow an intricate offensive system. all lebron knows is basic bran ball )


- resilience ( kobe doesn't just stand in the corner all series. he'll try other things.. if his shots not falling he'll attack the rim/give added effort on defense and tough out a defensive grind it out victory vs a 5 headed monster )




larry bird once said "if you wanna win. pick kobe. if you wanna just have fun. pick lebron"


larry bird is one of the greatest basketball minds in history


you lose. get a new hobby

[Gileraracer]

What matters at the end of the day is 3 1st option rings beats 2

it can't be a 1st option ring when you need two miracle shots to save you.

[Wally450]

He just wasn't a good leader...

[kennethgriffen]

it can't be a 1st option ring when you need two miracle shots to save you.

seriously.. the first option is the guy taking the step back game/title winning 3


kyrie was the first option throughout the 2016 finals. he doubled lebrons scoring when it mattered

lebron only scored more points in garbage time when the cavs were up 15-20