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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    Lebron had 3 HOF teammates in the 13' Finals, while he averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games....

    And 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games, thus needing Ray to force game 7... He was also a net negative for the entire series

    So Lebron was horrible and carried by had 3 HOF teammates
    25/11/7 off 45% is horrible

    LeBron had a higher game score in 2013 than MJ in 96 and 98 finals so if LeBron was horrible than so is MJ those years

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    Poor manny getting bodied per usual

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpols
    hakeems lack of help is extremely overstated... he beat a knicks team that featured ewing and john starks, which was no more talented than his own team in '94.

    And then in '95 he had a prime clyde drexler... all NBA player and multiple time MVP candidate going off in those playoffs with him. But people act like he had bums.

    Clyde Drexler had two top 5 MVP finishes and was better than Pau Gasol, but people NEVER mention him in that title run.
    its kinda like kobe's 09 help

    weak historically but relative to the season the best help in the NBA, with the terrible magic team performance thrown his way.

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    OP is Straight_Ballin/Egokiller

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3
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    They’re you. Don’t play coy.

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    hakeem in 94, duncan in 03, julius in 76.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manny98
    LeBron won in 2013 with 15ppg Wade and 12ppg Bosh

    No one else won with this low scoring help
    Minus Jordans scoring average in 96 Finals, Chicago scored 65.7ppg
    Minus Brons scoring average in 13 Finals, Heat scored 71.7ppg

    In 97 Finals, Chicago scored 55.5ppg minus Jordans scoring average
    In 98 Finals, Chicago scored 54.5ppg minus Jordans scoring average

    Chicago won the championship in each series

    How dumb do you have to be to say the bolded though. You set yourself up for failure Classic Manny

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostCause
    Minus Jordans scoring average in 96 Finals, Chicago scored 65.7ppg
    Minus Brons scoring average in 13 Finals, Heat scored 71.7ppg

    In 97 Finals, Chicago scored 55.5ppg minus Jordans scoring average
    In 98 Finals, Chicago scored 54.5ppg minus Jordans scoring average

    Chicago won the championship in each series

    How dumb do you have to be to say the bolded though. You set yourself up for failure Classic Manny
    spurs ortg in 13 finals: 109.3 for context RS: 108.3
    sonics ortg in 96 finals: 106.7 for context RS: 110.3
    jazz ortg in 97 finals: 103.8 for context RS: 113.6
    jazz ortg in 98 finals: 96.1 for context RS: 112.7

    Clown lebron for his defense all you want, I dont think you should for his defense in 2013 however

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostCause
    Minus Jordans scoring average in 96 Finals, Chicago scored 65.7ppg
    Minus Brons scoring average in 13 Finals, Heat scored 71.7ppg

    In 97 Finals, Chicago scored 55.5ppg minus Jordans scoring average
    In 98 Finals, Chicago scored 54.5ppg minus Jordans scoring average

    Chicago won the championship in each series

    How dumb do you have to be to say the bolded though. You set yourself up for failure Classic Manny
    Your not taking into account pace so your wrong

    And i'm talking about 2nd-4th options mainly not the players on the end of the bench

    MJ never had a 2nd & 3rd option as bad as Wade and Bosh in 2013 that's facts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manny98
    Your not taking into account pace so your wrong
    Pace doesn't change the fact Jordan won with less scoring help. If you can show otherwise, go ahead

    And i'm talking about 2nd-4th options mainly not the players on the end of the bench

    MJ never had a 2nd & 3rd option as bad as Wade and Bosh in 2013 that's facts
    You said help, period. Now you're moving the goalposts

    Even still, *Pace Adjusted Wade averaged 20 in the Finals and Bosh averaged 12. That's 32ppg between them. In 96, Pippen averaged 17ppg and Kukoc 14ppg. That's 31ppg between them. In 97, Pippen 22ppg Kukoc 9ppg. That's again, 31 ppg between them. Pace adjusted

    You still fail

    Quote Originally Posted by NBAGOAT
    spurs ortg in 13 finals: 109.3 for context RS: 108.3
    sonics ortg in 96 finals: 106.7 for context RS: 110.3
    jazz ortg in 97 finals: 103.8 for context RS: 113.6
    jazz ortg in 98 finals: 96.1 for context RS: 112.7

    Clown lebron for his defense all you want, I dont think you should for his defense in 2013 however
    Was talking about his offense. Where'd I clown his defense?

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    Isiah in 1989 and 1990
    one star teammate

    Hakeem in 1994
    no star teammate

    Jordan 1991 - 1998
    one star teammate and 6x rings

    Kobe in 2009 and 2010
    one star teammate

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiSWISH
    Isiah in 1989 and 1990
    one star teammate

    Hakeem in 1994
    no star teammate

    Jordan 1991 - 1998
    one star teammate and 6x rings

    Kobe in 2009 and 2010
    one star teammate
    how many star teammates did his opponents have, on what team was the 3rd best player

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostCause
    Pace doesn't change the fact Jordan won with less scoring help. If you can show otherwise, go ahead



    You said help, period. Now you're moving the goalposts

    Even still, *Pace Adjusted Wade averaged 20 in the Finals and Bosh averaged 12. That's 32ppg between them. In 96, Pippen averaged 17ppg and Kukoc 14ppg. That's 31ppg between them. In 97, Pippen 22ppg Kukoc 9ppg. That's again, 31 ppg between them. Pace adjusted

    You still fail



    Was talking about his offense. Where'd I clown his defense?
    Well help included defensive help. The only potential counter argument is to say bron has poor defensive impact compared to Jordan but I don’t think many people feel that way for 2013

    Edit: I should’ve seen op said scoring help lol

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    Pete Myers

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