LeBron v Duncan

[Red Pill Sports]

You are continuing to ignore production outside of 3 players, but anyways, I've stated in the past that 2011 was a choke by LeBron. But what I find funny is how people use that one series to judge his whole career while ignoring what he did right after 2011.

He won back to back championships in 2012 & 2013 while playing elite competition in the Finals.

Took the 67 win Warriors to 6 games in 2015 without Kyrie & Love. Carried a horrfic cast to the Finals in 2018.

Beat a 73 win team in the Finals, but you criticize him because he had Kyrie. Do you know how moronic that sounds? Since when do people criticize Shaq for winning 3 chips with Kobe? Do you see fans/media criticizing Magic for winning with Kareem? Or Bird for winning with McHale while being outscored in a couple of Finals by teammates?

Magic had an epic choke in 1984, yet fans don't label him as a choker because of what he did throughout the rest of his career, whether you like it or not, history will look at LeBron in a similar way.

LeBron gets shit for things that past players never got shit for.

You're continuing to ignore that Dallas needed a 4th quarter choke and LeBron single digit performance just avoid being swept. They won those two games by a combined 5 points.

2012 was a lockout season and the Thunder were green as hell.

The 2013 Spurs were also a team of geriatrics and jump shooters and weren't even favored to make the Finals. The only reason they were 5 seconds away from beating him is because he spent most of that series playing as bad as he did in 2011. Another example of Bron making his opponent look better than they are.

Cleveland's two wins in 2015 were due to defense, something LeBron stunk at in that series.

Didn't face anyone worth a damn in the East in 2018 then proceeded to get bent over and spanked by the only legitimate opponent he faced the whole series.

That 73 win team was behind 3-1 to a Thunder team with no depth.

Again, Kyrie badly outplayed every single Warrior, including the unanimous MVP, as the second option. He didn't win that series with Kyrie averaging less than 20.

Shaq is consistenly ranked behind Duncan and often Hakeem because he always needed Top 3 guards of all time to win rings, something Duncan and Hakeem didn't need at all.

Magic isn't called a choker because unlike LeBron he has more Finals wins than losses.

As for your last statement, spare me. Nobody gets more media protection based solely on stats than LeBron does. Stop trying to martyr him.

[1987_Lakers]

You're continuing to ignore that Dallas needed a 4th quarter choke and LeBron single digit performance just avoid being swept. They won those two games by a combined 5 points.

What are you talking about? I said in my previous post that LeBron in 2011 choked.

2012 was a lockout season and the Thunder were green as hell.

Um, Duncan also won a title in a lockout year. Why did you only apply it to LeBron?

The 2013 Spurs were also a team of geriatrics and jump shooters and weren't even favored to make the Finals. The only reason they were 5 seconds away from beating him is because he spent most of that series playing as bad as he did in 2011. Another example of Bron making his opponent look better than they are.

The Spurs from 2012-2014 were a force, if you watched them play you would know that their ball movement was at a level that had not been seen in decades. They were far from a fluky team. They were destroying teams in those years and were better than most teams Duncan beat in the Finals during his prime.

[1987_Lakers]

Didn't face anyone worth a damn in the East in 2018 then proceeded to get bent over and spanked by the only legitimate opponent he faced the whole series.

That 73 win team was behind 3-1 to a Thunder team with no depth.

Again, Kyrie badly outplayed every single Warrior, including the unanimous MVP, as the second option. He didn't win that series with Kyrie averaging less than 20.

Shaq is consistenly ranked behind Duncan and often Hakeem because he always needed Top 3 guards of all time to win rings, something Duncan and Hakeem didn't need at all.

Magic isn't called a choker because unlike LeBron he has more Finals wins than losses.

Wtf are you talking about? Shaq is almost always ranked ahead of Hakeem.

Your logic about Magic doesn't make any sense.

Larry Bird won 3 titles, lost 2 Finals. I'm guessing if he beats the Sixers in '82 and Detroit in '88 instead of losing and loses in the Finals to the Lakers in those years, that automatically makes him a choker. Smh

[Hey Yo]

You say 2012 was a lockout season yet praised Timmy for winning the title in 50gm lockout season.

OKC had 2 All-NBA players, the 6moy and the blocks leader who finished runner-up for DPOY. Only lost 2gms in route to the Finals but yeah ..... they were green as hell

[1987_Lakers]

You say 2012 was a lockout season yet praised Timmy for winning the title in 50gm lockout season.

OKC had 2 All-NBA players, the 6moy and the blocks leader who finished runner-up for DPOY. Only lost 2gms in route to the Finals but yeah ..... they were green as hell

It's ridiculous. He shits on the competition LeBron faced like OKC who had Durant, Harden, & Westbrook, but completely ignores Duncan's Finals competition.

"Red pill" my ass.

[Red Pill Sports]

What are you talking about? I said in my previous post that LeBron in 2011 choked.

And you tried to excuse that choke by talking about "muh rosters".

Um, Duncan also won a title in a lockout year. Why did you only apply it to LeBron?

Now look at who they had in those years. One had a generational talent at guard. The other had Avery Johnson and Jaren Jackson. One swept two teams with more talent, the other needed 7 games to put away a geriatric Celtics team on its last legs.

The Spurs from 2012-2014 were a force, if you watched them play you would know that their ball movement was at a level that had not been seen in decades. They were far from a fluky team. They were destroying teams in those years and were better than most teams Duncan beat in the Finals during his prime.

Again to repeat, the only reason they were 5 seconds away from winning in 2013 is due to LeBron spending most of that series playing no better than in 2011.

[Hey Yo]

Wtf are you talking about? Shaq is almost always ranked ahead of Hakeem.

Your logic about Magic doesn't make any sense.

Larry Bird won 3 titles, lost 2. I'm guessing if he beats the Sixers in '82 and Detroit in '88 instead of losing and loses in the Finals to the Lakers in those years, that automatically makes him a choker. Smh

Imagine calling 2000 Kobe a top 3 SG of all time and was the reason Shaq got a ring that season

That's really dumb!!

[Red Pill Sports]

You say 2012 was a lockout season yet praised Timmy for winning the title in 50gm lockout season.

OKC had 2 All-NBA players, the 6moy and the blocks leader who finished runner-up for DPOY. Only lost 2gms in route to the Finals but yeah ..... they were green as hell

LeBron had prime Wade and Bosh, needed 7 games to defeat a geriatric Boston team. San Antonio had Avery Johnson and Jaren Jackson in the backcourt and swept two teams with more talent than them.

[1987_Lakers]

Im still trying to figure out where is Hakeem is consistently ranked ahead of Shaq.

Most lists I see have Shaq ahead of Hakeem.

[Hey Yo]

LeBron had prime Wade and Bosh, needed 7 games to defeat a geriatric Boston team. San Antonio had Avery Johnson and Jaren Jackson in the backcourt and swept two teams with more talent than them.

Bosh only played 3gms due to injury and avg. 25mp

OKC was the betting favorite before the Finals tipped off.

Try again, chico.

[Hey Yo]

Im still trying to figure out where is Hakeem is consistently ranked ahead of Shaq.

Most lists I see have Shaq ahead of Hakeem.

I've never seen a media list having Hakeem ahead of Shaq

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron had prime Wade and Bosh, needed 7 games to defeat a geriatric Boston team.

Ignores the fact that Bosh only played 3 games in that series. Alot of your posts are not even facts

[Red Pill Sports]

Ignores the fact that Bosh only played 3 games in that series. Alot of your posts are not even facts

Still better than post back injury David Robinson.

[Red Pill Sports]

Bosh only played 3gms due to injury and avg. 25mp

OKC was the betting favorite before the Finals tipped off.

Try again, chico.

Spurs swept two teams with more talent while having Johnson and Jackson as their backcourt and post-injury Robinson as their 2nd option. Whoopie.

OKC was only the betting favorite because they were reluctant to put Miami as the favorite after LeBron's meltdown the year before.

[1987_Lakers]

Still better than post back injury David Robinson.

Can't even admit when you are flat out wrong.

lol