So who's on the top 9-10 currently?

[dbugz]

Kawhi
Giannis
LeBron
KD (still top 10 if healthy)
Steph (still top 10 if healthy)
Harden
AD
Lillard

These guys are locked.

Been in a debate with a friend on who among these players below should be included in the top 10?

Embiid
Jimmy Butler
Kyrie
Westbrook
PG
Jokic
Brad Beal
Doncic
KAT

[Whoah10115]

Chris Paul. Definitely Chris Paul. Prime, whatever.

I guess Westbrook, who I don't like at all. Let's let the season finish before adding Doncic.

Tho Jokic has an argument based on last season. Been great this year too.

[Phoenix]

Luka and Westbrook round out the top ten taking your list in consideration. I'm giving Steph and KD the benefit of doubt that they return to, or close to, top form.

[Manny98]

1. LeBron
2. KD (healthy)
3. Giannis
4. Kawhi
5. Curry (healthy)
6. Harden
7. AD
8. CP3
9. Kyrie (healthy)
10. Lillard

Honourable mentions:

Westbrook
Jokic
PG
EmChoke

[StrongLurk]

Luka is easily top 10. Any list without him in the top 10 is invalid.

[Manny98]

Luka is easily top 10. Any list without him in the top 10 is invalid.

Luka has been medicore since the new year and Dallas literally play better basketball without him so no.

[StrongLurk]

Luka has been medicore since the new year and Dallas literally play better basketball without him so no.

Good thing the entire year counts and not just a portion. Luka is top ten by every metric. He is certainly better than Lillard and CP3 this year.

[dbugz]

Let's not base it alone on the stat this season.

To make it simpler, if the goal is to win a championship next season, who would be the top 10 draft pick among the current players?

[Turbo Slayer]

Luka has been medicore since the new year and Dallas literally play better basketball without him so no.

Luka has been medicore since the new year

You can´t just pick and select what months you choose to judge a player. You have to include the whole season. In other words a larger sample size is needed.

The Mavericks are currently leading the league in Off Reg. (116.7). Luka Doncic has been the machine of that Dallas team. Do you honestly believe that the Mavericks would lead the league in Off Reg. if Luka wasn´t playing the whole season? Answer:No.

His On-Court Net Rtg is +6.5. Last year, he was negative 3.4. So not sure where you are getting at.

Luka have been medicore. Man what a terrible take.

Luka is averaging 41.7 points per 100 possessions.

[Manny98]

Good thing the entire year counts and not just a portion. Luka is top ten by every metric. He is certainly better than Lillard and CP3 this year.

CP3 plays defense and has his team at a higher seed than Luka. Doncic doesn't even come close to CP in terms of on court impact

I guess you could argue him being better than Lillard but that's it

[Manny98]

You can´t just pick and select what months you choose to judge a player. You have to include the whole season. In other words a larger sample size is needed.

The Mavericks are currently leading the league in Off Reg. (116.7). Luka Doncic has been the machine of that Dallas team. Do you honestly believe that the Mavericks would lead the league in Off Reg. if Luka wasn´t playing the whole season? Answer:No.

His On-Court Net Rtg is +6.5. Last year, he was negative 3.4. So not sure where you are getting at.

Luka have been medicore. Man what a terrible take.

Luka is averaging 41.7 points per 100 possessions.

And Dallas are 5 points better when Luka is off the court

His extremely ball dominant playstyle hinders his teammates and reduces the overall ceiling of his team. It's no coincidence that Porzingis started balling df out after Luka went down with an injury earlier this year

[Turbo Slayer]

And Dallas are 5 points better when Luka is off the court

His extremely ball dominant playstyle hinders his teammates and reduces the overall ceiling of his team. It's no coincidence that Porzingis started balling df out after Luka went down with an injury earlier this year

Yeah but you got to consider the quality of teammantes and how good is the competition? Is your star player playing with other starters or bench warmers?

Lets take look at the 2 man lineups including Luka and Porzingis. To keep it fair I decided to exclude lineups where Luka and Porzingis is together in.

I will do points scored against opponents.

Luka´s lineups scored 8.02 points against opposition.

Porzingis´s lineups scored 7.54 points against opposing teams.

Lineups with Luka in it posted a better point differential against opposition than Porzingis´s.

I also notice that you didn´t answer one of my points posted above about Is Luka medicore?

[Turbo Slayer]

Luka is evidently more valuable to the Dallas Mavericks then Porzingis is.

If we take the VORP of both players and multiply it by 2.70 you will get a stat called Wins Over Replacement. It means that X player is worth X number of wins.

Luka´s Wins Over Replacement is 13 wins.

Porzingis is only worth 4 wins.

Keep in mind that I rounded it up to the nearest whole number to make things easier to comprehend.

[Turbo Slayer]

And Dallas are 5 points better when Luka is off the court

His extremely ball dominant playstyle hinders his teammates and reduces the overall ceiling of his team. It's no coincidence that Porzingis started balling df out after Luka went down with an injury earlier this year

I found another hole in your argument. If Luka´s playstyle ¨hinders¨ the whole team then why some of LeBron James´s teams produced some of the best offenses in the Playoffs alltime if his playstyle ¨hinders¨ teams.

Care to refute?

[MrFonzworth]

You can´t just pick and select what months you choose to judge a player. You have to include the whole season. In other words a larger sample size is needed.

The Mavericks are currently leading the league in Off Reg. (116.7). Luka Doncic has been the machine of that Dallas team. Do you honestly believe that the Mavericks would lead the league in Off Reg. if Luka wasn´t playing the whole season? Answer:No.

His On-Court Net Rtg is +6.5. Last year, he was negative 3.4. So not sure where you are getting at.

Luka have been medicore. Man what a terrible take.

Luka is averaging 41.7 points per 100 possessions.

Oh God this nerd Turbo Stats and his numbers